@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Every religion believes those who aren't followers are doomed, not just Christianity.

Just because I don't hate him for his religion doesn't mean I'm a fanatical bible-thumper myself. I haven't been to church in over five years, and even when I did go I only went for the holidays. I don't necessarily believe in a giant bearded man in the sky, or a pitchforked red man in the dirt. I don't know what I believe in, but I take comfort in believing in something.

What do you do, sit in your room all day and worship Halo and cyanobacteria?

I can be just as closeminded and douchelike as you, if you want to go this route.

nah man. ain't that important to me. kid is a player, i'll give you that. but let me see him do his magic on a consistent level in the pros and even i might become a believer in him.

i'm so closeminded that i actually believed that kirk was god and kahn was beezlebub.

really. ok cantonlegend.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Every religion believes those who aren't followers are doomed, not just Christianity.

Just because I don't hate him for his religion doesn't mean I'm a fanatical bible-thumper myself. I haven't been to church in over five years, and even when I did go I only went for the holidays. I don't necessarily believe in a giant bearded man in the sky, or a pitchforked red man in the dirt. I don't know what I believe in, but I take comfort in believing in something.

What do you do, sit in your room all day and worship Halo and cyanobacteria?

I can be just as closeminded and douchelike as you, if you want to go this route.

Fun Bible fact. The Bible never revels what the Devil or Hell looks like. The horned red guy living in a cave of flames is something that man made up over time. Also the Bible never says that there will be a single Anti Christ/song of the devil that most people believe. The Bible actually refers to people who turn away from Jesus or don't believe in Jesus to be the Anti Christ as in your are anti Christ. By which anyone who is not a Christian and doesn't truly believe in him is technically the Anti Christ. Kind of funny if you ask me.

@miktoxic said:

then don't say i'll burn in hell if i don't believe in his specific religion as he has said many times before.

that is pretty ignorant in my eyes.

religion has been at the forefront of every war committed on this earth.

what do you go down to the local creek and dance around with rattlesnakes and believe when they bite you that it's a sign from god?

How I could forget about World War 2. When the Catholic nations invaded other Catholic nations and the Protestants invaded other Protestants.

@miktoxic said:

then don't say i'll burn in hell if i don't believe in his specific religion as he has said many times before.

that is pretty ignorant in my eyes.

religion has been at the forefront of every war committed on this earth.

what do you go down to the local creek and dance around with rattlesnakes and believe when they bite you that it's a sign from god?

Every religion believes those who aren't followers are doomed, not just Christianity.

Just because I don't hate him for his religion doesn't mean I'm a fanatical bible-thumper myself. I haven't been to church in over five years, and even when I did go I only went for the holidays. I don't necessarily believe in a giant bearded man in the sky, or a pitchforked red man in the dirt. I don't know what I believe in, but I take comfort in believing in something.

What do you do, sit in your room all day and worship Halo and cyanobacteria?

I can be just as closeminded and douchelike as you, if you want to go this route.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Shitting on somebody because of their religion is the height of immaturity and ignorance.

then don't say i'll burn in hell if i don't believe in his specific religion as he has said many times before.

that is pretty ignorant in my eyes.

religion has been at the forefront of every war committed on this earth.

what do you go down to the local creek and dance around with rattlesnakes and believe when they bite you that it's a sign from god?

@miktoxic said:

you didn't hear? tebow had it in his contract clause that he won't play for a team whose stadium sits on the river of hades.

fuck that douche. the abuse that this kid is going to take in ny will see to it that he fades away into the shadows like the antichrist is said to do.

boo hoo.

Shitting on somebody because of their religion is the height of immaturity and ignorance.

fuck that douche. the abuse that this kid is going to take in ny will see to it that he fades away into the shadows like the antichrist is said to do.

boo hoo.

@choco said:

ok...so tebow has a better record as a starter than mccoy. i also agree that mccoy sucks...so im not so sure being better than crap is good either. thats great and all....tho now the onus is on you to disprove my point. how is tebow anything more than a game manager...cause quite frankly, you got nothing other than "he just wins".

he did not win by throwing the football....he won by running a specially designed gimmick offense predicated on running the football, utilizing college football principles. he cant run a pro offense, he cant read defenses, he cant deliver a football on time accurately...like our system demands. not to mention that he's left handed, which mitigates our best lineman.

stop being a fool. your telling me you think the gimmick that is tebow can sustain this run? didn't he lose 4 of his last 5? cause it seemed like he lost steam as more film became available. if you seriously think that professional DC's cannot figure out how to stop a run-first QB that doesn't possess the ability to throw a football, youre out to lunch. the only people that think tebow is a starting NFL QB are fans.

youre only leg to stand on is that he's won some games....yet he won those games in part due to outstanding defense that kept the scores low enough that tebow could win them. yes, he most likely inspired the good play....but its certainly not like the guy went out and won those games as real QB's do.

"he just wins"....lmao. hell, even DA strung together a few games. i do find this funny actually....you trying to simplify an extremely complicated situation because there's nothing to suggest, other than his W-L record, to suggest he can succeed at QB. not a god damn thing. case closed? hardly...if you think all this is no comeback, then fire up your internets and make a case other than "he just wins".....cause thats a hell of alot more foolish that "he cant throw a football".

colts situation is so different from tebows, its hard to compare. tebow got a special offense designed for him....colt has been thru 2 different systems, one of which is rigid and forced him to conform. ie, one was catered to, one was not. lost in the shuffle here is that colt is smart enough to learn a real system...tebow....well....

so please...i can go on all day. you have anything besides continued luck and divine intervention? magic and hope dont return shit in real life.

When did I ever disagree that he can't throw the football?

What im saying is that Tebow and McCoy have very similar stats (excluding yardage but McCoy also had twice as many attempts). Neither is far and above better than the other, yet one of them has more wins in one year than the other has in his career.

Chalk it up to whatever you want but Orton had the exact same team and went 1-4. People said the option wasn't going to work in the NFL, but it clearly did. How would it hurt to bring in Tebow to run what he did in Denver occasionally? I realize we're committed to the WCO, and that's why keeping Colt at least makes a little sense. Make whatever jokes about Childress' simple offense but he has run a couple trick plays in his day. Adding Tebow has absolutely 0 negative effects, other than his contract being on the books.

For a fourth and a sixth round pick? Even if Tebow only got a couple touchdowns, it's likely more than those picks would have gotten.

@harry-buffalo said:

As compared to how Tebow ran a system completely designed around him and not all the different from what he ran at Flordia while Colt ran a system he had literally just learned with less play makers. Tebow had the odds more in his favor than Colt and managed to just barely win games while Colt had more against him and barely managed to lose them. If Denvers defense was just slightly worse we would all be talking about how Tebow CAN'T find a way to win.

I'm not giving a ringing endorsement for Colt, I'm just saying we would not have gotten any kind of upgrade by trading for Tebow.

Denver did have a better defense and a better running game than the Browns...and played in a much weaker division (that is why Manning chose to go there). Just saying.

he did not win by throwing the football....he won by running a specially designed gimmick offense predicated on running the football, utilizing college football principles. he cant run a pro offense, he cant read defenses, he cant deliver a football on time accurately...like our system demands. not to mention that he's left handed, which mitigates our best lineman.

stop being a fool. your telling me you think the gimmick that is tebow can sustain this run? didn't he lose 4 of his last 5? cause it seemed like he lost steam as more film became available. if you seriously think that professional DC's cannot figure out how to stop a run-first QB that doesn't possess the ability to throw a football, youre out to lunch. the only people that think tebow is a starting NFL QB are fans.

youre only leg to stand on is that he's won some games....yet he won those games in part due to outstanding defense that kept the scores low enough that tebow could win them. yes, he most likely inspired the good play....but its certainly not like the guy went out and won those games as real QB's do.

"he just wins"....lmao. hell, even DA strung together a few games. i do find this funny actually....you trying to simplify an extremely complicated situation because there's nothing to suggest, other than his W-L record, to suggest he can succeed at QB. not a god damn thing. case closed? hardly...if you think all this is no comeback, then fire up your internets and make a case other than "he just wins".....cause thats a hell of alot more foolish that "he cant throw a football".

colts situation is so different from tebows, its hard to compare. tebow got a special offense designed for him....colt has been thru 2 different systems, one of which is rigid and forced him to conform. ie, one was catered to, one was not. lost in the shuffle here is that colt is smart enough to learn a real system...tebow....well....

so please...i can go on all day. you have anything besides continued luck and divine intervention? magic and hope dont return shit in real life.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Colt's put a lot of time and effort into it...and has nothing to show for it. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, that's the way it is. He's shown no progression, at times he's actually regressed.

Just like Tebow.

So if we're going to put up with that, let's at least have a guy who manages to win at the helm.

As compared to how Tebow ran a system completely designed around him and not all the different from what he ran at Flordia while Colt ran a system he had literally just learned with less play makers. Tebow had the odds more in his favor than Colt and managed to just barely win games while Colt had more against him and barely managed to lose them. If Denvers defense was just slightly worse we would all be talking about how Tebow CAN'T find a way to win.

I'm not giving a ringing endorsement for Colt, I'm just saying we would not have gotten any kind of upgrade by trading for Tebow.

@choco said:

How is colt a game manager, yet tebow just wins games?

Yes...u are a shill. Pimping a qb that can't throw a fucking football because he just wins.

Lmao...alrighty then.

Do you have anything that disproves my point? Tebow had more wins last season than Colt has in his career.

That's all there is to it. You can say "alrighty then" all you want...because what I said is true and you have no comeback other than "dude can't throw a football".

One guy wins, the other guy hasn't won shit. Case closed.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Colt's put a lot of time and effort into it...and has nothing to show for it. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, that's the way it is. He's shown no progression, at times he's actually regressed.

Much of that I put on the shoulders of Pat Shurmur and the offense he runs. Not all, but much.

Just like Tebow.

So if we're going to put up with that, let's at least have a guy who manages to win at the helm.

Yes...u are a shill. Pimping a qb that can't throw a fucking football because he just wins.

Lmao...alrighty then.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Colt's put a lot of time and effort into it...and has nothing to show for it.

but not really man, you can hate on the dude. everybody wants everyone to be all-pro from the getgo. but all those things lined up in front of colt mccoy last year(no train camp, new HC/OC system, no running game, no receivers and a right side of the OL that couldn't block a kitty kat from it's box. besides being like physically 70% last year.

let's pleez not do anything unrational this early in the signing/draft session.believe me. if they fuck this up somehow .....somebody's gotta pay. and i'm talkin holmgren.

@harry-buffalo said:

How do these things not describe Colt. He puts in more work than anyone on the team, literally puts his body and healthy on the line to just try and win a game, and he has done everything he can to get better. Shit we have what you are saying you want. Pathetic pieces of shit like you are what make this franchise smell like shit.

Colt's put a lot of time and effort into it...and has nothing to show for it. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, that's the way it is. He's shown no progression, at times he's actually regressed.

Just like Tebow.

So if we're going to put up with that, let's at least have a guy who manages to win at the helm.

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

you will find that when I post about football, and eliminate all the sidebar bullshit, I am pretty much to the point.

We as fans like to get worked up about teh guys we think we should have taken, but, the bashing gets tiring, even for me.

I just want the team to win. WTF do any of us know about running an NFL franchise?

It's a style I could get used to...

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

The Jet's are not going to start Tebow over Sanchez, and most likely will use Tebow as a backup and special situation QB.

I don't know that there is really a place for him permanently and why the Jets took him is a bit baffling. Why the Browns weren't anywhere in the foray makes you think back to the article just posted about RG3 not wanting to play in Cleveland.

Perhaps the reason Holmgren and Heckert cant land i major FA talent is hidden under the rug in teh form of " Nobody wants to wind up in Cleveland.

Agree he won't start the season starting, but I place the O/U at week 7. Last year showed the Jets are nowhere near as good as FatBoy keeps claiming they are. Still have the draft to go and Landry was a nice add at Safety, but on balance the FA period has produced little for them.

Could be H&H... could be Shurmur... could be we are still in talks with some FA's.

@1-more-season said:

If it only took a 4th rounder H&H blew it again. What would it hurt to have a him on the browns.

I agree. Like him or not, the guy is a winner and gets the other players around him trying harder.

Sanchez will start out as the main guy and Tebow will get his fair share of wildcats etc, but by mid season Tebow will be playing 80% of the snaps.

@kosarfan said:

As stated here a few times, PATHETIC that this team and the savior GM from wonderland can't get in the running for ANYTHING worthwhile. The Brownns are never mentioned when an opportunity arises. For all who think Tebow is a waste or bust, you are wrong. This kid has a tremendous work ethic and does what he needs to do to win and learn to get better. Question is, who in the NY Jets organization is going to do squat with him ? The Jets can't get their hands around anything worthwhile. Sanchez is the first ray of light they've seen in years and they will burn him out before Tebow ever gets a run at anything. Ryan is loud mouth ass that is great in a media run town. Tebow and he have absolutely nothing in common. I sincerely hope Tebow is on the block again soon and somebody who has a plan does something with this talented kid. Jacksonville, shame on you, you drug your ass AGAIN and will wind up with a half empty, half covered stadium all season long again. But, I'll give you this, at least you get to hear your team mentioned in the media and as a contender for some change. This Cleveland organization, and Holmgren, are a complete farce. Has ANYTHING worthwhile been done in free agency with this half ass team in the last 3 or 4 years, other than Hillis ?

How do these things not describe Colt. He puts in more work than anyone on the team, literally puts his body and healthy on the line to just try and win a game, and he has done everything he can to get better. Shit we have what you are saying you want. Pathetic pieces of shit like you are what make this franchise smell like shit.

The world truly is about to end.

@choco said:

Lmao....never imagined couch as a tebow shill....

I'm not a Tebow "shill", whatever that may mean. I just believe that he would have been a good addition. He makes plays, something that Colt McCoy rarely, if ever, does. He was cheap. He's young. People can shit on his throwing motion and his mechanics but he still won.

According to all reports, he's a fantastic teammate and a huge locker room and sideline inspiration, which is something we most definitely need.

I'm tired of watching "so and so" make very mediocre plays to either eek out a win or go down in flames. I can't legitimately recall the last time I was excited over something a Browns player did on the field, excluding Peyton Hillis's season two years ago.

His only knocks are things that are coachable, which doesn't happen very often in players that come that cheap. Honestly, I see no downside to acquiring him. No 4th round pick would have had as much of an impact, and we wouldn't be replacing Colt McCoy. This is the move that winning teams make, and it's further proof that Holmgren is just collecting a check and hooking his buddies up with jobs.

@runyon27 said:

Yeah I see Peyton Manning, Brees, Rodgers etc running the majority of the time.

It was part of Mannings contract with the colts that he could only run once a game, like most people on here you are just making shit up out of thin air.