@choco said:

Isn't Landry Jones eithee

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he's benched for Blake Bell this year.

@rhino-bo said:

FWIW, 3 of those guys are in NFL.COM's 2013 top 10 for all players...Most of them are "prototypes", being 6'3" - 6'5" range. They are pretty highly regarded right now...

5 of them have played in pro-style systems...With 5 step drops, pro terminology, snap counts and huddles ...And none of them are 30.

Well, Matt Barkley ain't one of them. He is shorter than McCoy, slower than McCoy and without even McCoy's arm strength.

@the-gipper said:

None of those guys are even as good as Colt McCoy, so I would respectfully disagree with your assessment that next year's draft is deep in QBs. Oh, certainly there are a number of them that will be available....but they are all costume jewelry. No real gems.

FWIW, 3 of those guys are in NFL.COM's 2013 top 10 for all players...Most of them are "prototypes", being 6'3" - 6'5" range. They are pretty highly regarded right now...

5 of them have played in pro-style systems...With 5 step drops, pro terminology, snap counts and huddles ...And none of them are 30.

He'll be one of the few 1st round qb picks whose grace period for learning is over before it started.

I don't think we'll need to discuss next year. I hope not.

Endymion said:

In terms of Weeden, the question I have is he better than Kirk Cousins?

Weeden

Cousins

Based on the information I've read, Cousins appears to be very similar to Weeden, except he's younger and seems to be a natural leader (which I've not heard about Weeden). The Browns could use a natural leader on their team, especially on offense. Cousins wasn't taken until the 4th round. Due the selection of Brock Oswieller in the 2nd, I doubt Weeden would've fallen to the 4th round. Wouldn't Cousins have been a better pick for the Browns?

By all account Weeden is quite the opposite what you said: Weeden was the undisputed leader of that team. Weeden is also taller, stronger, with a better arm.

I am not denigrating Cousins....but something like 60 picks went by between the two...each team passed on him at least once or twice.

To me, Cousins seemed like a nice college QB. No more.

But he sees Robinson as a wide receiver, not under center.

“Not a quarterback, no,” Kiper said, defiantly.

“I think you look at (Robinson) as a projection. You can make an argument really that going into next year he’s either the No. 2 or No. 1 most highly rated wide receiver option and he hasn’t even played the position.

“That’s ’cause a lot of the receivers this year that were projected from the junior class were coming out. It’s left you with a minimal number of players that are going to be projecting super high and Denard would be one of those guys projecting as a wide receiver, slot guy.”

lol

Weeden

Cousins

Based on the information I've read, Cousins appears to be very similar to Weeden, except he's younger and seems to be a natural leader (which I've not heard about Weeden). The Browns could use a natural leader on their team, especially on offense. Cousins wasn't taken until the 4th round. Due the selection of Brock Oswieller in the 2nd, I doubt Weeden would've fallen to the 4th round. Wouldn't Cousins have been a better pick for the Browns?

@rhino-bo said:

Hey all,

1st time poster and lifelong Browns fan. I wasn't crazy about the Weeden pick, but I do understand it. Either way, it is what it is and I hope the young man is the real deal...However, what happens if things don't work out well and we have another high draft pick. The 2013 draft class is ridiculously deep in QB's...Barkely, Emmanuel, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, Landry Jones, Tyler Bray, Aaron Murray, etc...Would we pull the trigger on a franchise guy, basically rendering the Weeden pick a failure, or would we give Weeden a chance to develop (even though he's older)?

None of those guys are even as good as Colt McCoy, so I would respectfully disagree with your assessment that next year's draft is deep in QBs. Oh, certainly there are a number of them that will be available....but they are all costume jewelry. No real gems.

Marques Wilson - 6-4 183 and more than adequate speed

Keenan Allen - 6-3 206 and at least adequate speed. Does a lot after the catch (supposedly the point of the WCO so...)

Robert Woods - 6-1 190 but is probably the fastest of the 3.

I havent seen 40 times for any of these guys. But I think Allen and Wilson definitely have the size and more than enough speed to be number 1 WRs in this league. Woods isn't small either, but after watching all of their HIGHlight tapes, I was more impressed with Barkley in his than himself, definitely saying something in a WRs highlight tape. Also, I have to question him based on USCs past wide receivers that have flopped.

The only question I have for any of them, is that they are playing in the Pac-12, known for pretty poor defenses. If they were doing this in the SEC or the Big10, I would have little to no doubt they could be a great WR in this league. Wilson and Allen at least have the size that translates great.

a bad season, before its even played, does not always mean bad QB play.

see the diatribes by our resident colt lovers. the offense was terrible because the other 10 guys sucked.

@rhino-bo said:

I just feel like if we have another high pick, it would mean we didn't get the immediate upgrade we were looking for at QB. Weeden will be 30 in 2013, and I couldn't stomach passing up a possible franchise QB.

Regardless you can't draft another 1st round QB a year after drafting one. You also can't give up on a 1st round QB after only one starting season. Weeden would have to do absolutely terrible in order for Heckert to draft another QB. We honestly could end up drafting high again just based off schedule.

@harry-buffalo said:

I personally like the WR from Cal and the WR from Washington State more than the guy from USC. More height and still good speed. More big play ability. Woods isn't overly fast to warrant being so much smaller.

Touche'

@cambridgeho said:

Woods USC, gonna be a stud!

I personally like the WR from Cal and the WR from Washington State more than the guy from USC. More height and still good speed. More big play ability. Woods isn't overly fast to warrant being so much smaller.

@rhino-bo said:

Hey all,

1st time poster and lifelong Browns fan. I wasn't crazy about the Weeden pick, but I do understand it. Either way, it is what it is and I hope the young man is the real deal...However, what happens if things don't work out well and we have another high draft pick. The 2013 draft class is ridiculously deep in QB's...Barkely, Emmanuel, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, Landry Jones, Tyler Bray, Aaron Murray, etc...Would we pull the trigger on a franchise guy, basically rendering the Weeden pick a failure, or would we give Weeden a chance to develop (even though he's older)?

If we are picking top 5 again next year what they will most likely do is draft one of the great WR that are supposed to come out next season.