@the-cysko-kid said:

I know, right? What's up with that?

They are afraid that we would get disgusted from their HUGE bush.

@the-cysko-kid said:

Exactly. Forgive and hate and mistrust are three different things. I never said I hated the japs, I love their toys. I respect their spirit, and the traditional samurai culture. You don't seem to be able to compartmentalize these seperate things. You think in only black and white.

fine. Whatever.

This obviously isn't going to go anywhere so there is no point in continuing.

@mld-woody said:

I'm black and white?!

This is coming from the person that said "Never forgive the japs "

Exactly. Forgive and hate and mistrust are three different things. I never said I hated the japs, I love their toys. I respect their spirit, and the traditional samurai culture. You don't seem to be able to compartmentalize these seperate things. You think in only black and white.

@the-cysko-kid said:

There's things to admire about the Japanese. I don't hate them. If you're a technology guy they're goddamn geniuses with that, I just don't forgive their past behaviour. You are so black and white. I suspect that should fade some with age.

I'm black and white?!

This is coming from the person that said "Never forgive the japs "

@mld-woody said:

Ok dude, fine. Don't trust any Japanese person you ever meet. Glare at them from a distance. Talk poorly about them behind their back. I don't care any more.

There's things to admire about the Japanese. I don't hate them. If you're a technology guy they're goddamn geniuses with that, I just don't forgive their past behaviour. You are so black and white. I suspect that should fade some with age.

@kosar_for_president said:

The only problem I have the the Japs is they blur out the good bits in their pseudo-70's porn.

I know, right? What's up with that?

@fairhooker11 said:

The japanese back then were ruthless especially as they were capturing neighboring pacific island nations. My parents were Dutch colonists in Batavia (Jakarta) Indonesia. They were teenagers at the time, and watched their parents, specifically the men first - gathered up and put to work in slave camps and road/bridge building or also serving as death marches. Then the rest of the families spent the duration of the Jap rule in concentration camps.

So yes, there are JUSTIFIED reasons to feel the way that says "never forgive the japanese" But it is a bygone era, and I agree with you Cysco, the overlooking of such history is indeed the " pussification of todays metrosexuals"

Cool, dude. I'm part Filipino, so you're preaching to the "My ancestors have been abused by the Japanese" choir. Even had some relatives who helped liberate American POW's in this raid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_at_Cabanatuan.

Should they just forget about it, all is forgiven? In that, vapor is correct.

Well, if you never forgive them, that means that you're stuck in the past. I think when entire cultures get that sort of mindset, you end up with a clusterfuck (see African tribal warfare, gang warfare in the U.S., or the entire Middle East).

@the-cysko-kid said:

The big deal is that one would make you a racist and the other a nation hater. It's a big difference. The insult to so many people was and should still be pearl harbor. Should we forgive al-qaeda or do we wait a couple years yet?

Ok dude, fine. Don't trust any Japanese person you ever meet. Glare at them from a distance. Talk poorly about them behind their back. I don't care any more.

@mld-woody said:

I was going to edit that after I posted it, but I didn't think it would be a big deal.

Regardless it is offensive. Don't get caught up on my wording. If you want to respond focus on why it is ok to hold this grudge and why it is ok to insult so many people

The big deal is that one would make you a racist and the other a nation hater. It's a big difference. The insult to so many people was and should still be pearl harbor. Should we forgive al-qaeda or do we wait a couple years yet?

@mld-woody said:

Never forgive the the Wampanoag, Narragansett and Nimpuck Indians

Never forgive the French

Never forgive the French

Never forgive the British

Never forgive the British

Never forgive the Cherokee and Shawnee

Never forgive the Cherokee and Iroquois

Never forgive the Canadians

Never forgive the British

Never forgive the French

Never forgive the Moroccans and Algerians

Never forgive the British, Shawnee, Iroquois

Never forgive the Creek Indians

Never forgive the Mexicans

Never forgive the Southern Americans (Confederacy)

Never forgive the Sioux

Never forgive the Spanish

Never forgive the Germans, Italians, Hungarians, Austrians

Never forgive the Germans, Italians and Japanese

Never forgive the North Koreans, Chinese

Never forgive the North Vietnamese

Never forgive the Cubans

Never forgive the Iraqis

Of all those you listed only two that I know of can be accused if directly attacking America with the intent to conquer so that's just a knee jerk post.

I mean, the American Indians still hold a grudge against America don't they? Should they just forget about it, all is forgiven? In that, vapor is correct.

@fairhooker11 said:

The japanese back then were ruthless especially as they were capturing neighboring pacific island nations. My parents were Dutch colonists in Batavia (Jakarta) Indonesia. They were teenagers at the time, and watched their parents, specifically the men first - gathered up and put to work in slave camps and road/bridge building or also serving as death marches. Then the rest of the families spent the duration of the Jap rule in concentration camps.

So yes, there are JUSTIFIED reasons to feel the way that says "never forgive the japanese" But it is a bygone era, and I agree with you Cysco, the overlooking of such history is indeed the " pussification of todays metrosexuals"

Never forgive the the Wampanoag, Narragansett and Nimpuck Indians

Never forgive the French

Never forgive the French

Never forgive the British

Never forgive the British

Never forgive the Cherokee and Shawnee

Never forgive the Cherokee and Iroquois

Never forgive the Canadians

Never forgive the British

Never forgive the French

Never forgive the Moroccans and Algerians

Never forgive the British, Shawnee, Iroquois

Never forgive the Creek Indians

Never forgive the Mexicans

Never forgive the Southern Americans (Confederacy)

Never forgive the Sioux

Never forgive the Spanish

Never forgive the Germans, Italians, Hungarians, Austrians

Never forgive the Germans, Italians and Japanese

Never forgive the North Koreans, Chinese

Never forgive the North Vietnamese

Never forgive the Cubans

Never forgive the Iraqis

@the-cysko-kid said:

It's not really a racial slur though, is it, engineer? Is Japanese a race? It's more national slur. That's like saying calling Germans krauts is a racial slur.

I was going to edit that after I posted it, but I didn't think it would be a big deal.

Regardless it is offensive. Don't get caught up on my wording. If you want to respond focus on why it is ok to hold this grudge and why it is ok to insult so many people

So yes, there are JUSTIFIED reasons to feel the way that says "never forgive the japanese" But it is a bygone era, and I agree with you Cysco, the overlooking of such history is indeed the " pussification of todays metrosexuals"

@mld-woody said:

Yep, real men hold grudges on an entire nationality while simultaneously calling them a racial slur...

It's not really a racial slur though, is it, engineer? Is Japanese a race? It's more national slur. That's like saying calling Germans krauts is a racial slur.

@the-cysko-kid said:

It is to you. Probably not your grandfather though. That was a generation of men. Not pussified metrosexuals.

Yep, real men hold grudges on an entire nationality while simultaneously calling them a racial slur...

@vaportrail said:

You also said "Never forgive the Japs." Which is a really stupid comment.

It is to you. Probably not your grandfather though. That was a generation of men. Not pussified metrosexuals.

@the-cysko-kid said:

I didn't try and justify things America did wrong. I just choose my side as it were.

You also said "Never forgive the Japs." Which is a really stupid comment.

@the-cysko-kid said:

You're not a liberal? What are you then? What issues do you consider yourself conservative on?

I don't think I have very liberal views about the economy...

But, I mean, on issues like abortion and gay marriage and stuff I just choose the common sense answer. If that happens to be the liberal view then so be it.

Basically I am not going to run around and choose the conservative view on everything or the liberal view on anything or just follow one party's view on everything or some shit like that. I'll make my own decisions and see where the chips fall. In this case, if you average everything out I'd probably be a little liberal though

@mld-woody said:

I don't see why you would want to hold a grudge against an entire nationality because of what some did, but ok. Nazis are a different case too. Correct, I have never served and I hope I don't ever have to. But no, I am not a liberal, but I say this all the time... so I guess it won't matter.

You're not a liberal? What are you then? What issues do you consider yourself conservative on?

that was a stupid retort. The picture was not about the Trail of Tears, you dumbass.

You want to post a pic of that.....@@ feel free.

Or, are you stupidly saying that we should just be all happy about the Japanese military atrocities,

because the Trail of Tears happened?

See? Vapor just emoted, quite stupidly, changed the subject, and knee jerked

to have an objection to a stance by somebody else.

It's what libs do. They can't stop it.

And Woody, he is talking about the ATROCITIES, not current day Japanese people.

The military Japanese war criminals who committed them will never be forgiven.

@vaportrail said:

Because we as Americans have never committed anything that could be construed as a war crime. Ever hear of the Trail of Tears? The American government treated Native Americans as poorly as the Japanese did the Filipinos.

I didn't try and justify things America did wrong. I just choose my side as it were.

@the-cysko-kid said:

I should say never forget. I have a playstation, clearly we've forgiven each other, but yes. I don't forgive their wartime atrocities any more than they've forgiven the atomic bombing, in that I choose my side and stand by it, liberal college boy who's never served and most likely never even been in a fight. Yes. Ever heard of the bataan death march? The rape of nanking? We don't forgive the nazis for the death camps do we?

Because we as Americans have never committed anything that could be construed as a war crime. Ever hear of the Trail of Tears? The American government treated Native Americans as poorly as the Japanese did the Filipinos.