Endymion said:

Nah, I'm not interested in Wallace, McCoy has more upside and he has a better chance of actually making/contributing to the Steelers. Leftwich has more value than Wallace.

Well, if I had my way they may both end up being able to be picked up for nothing.

The Browns will need a decent, veteran backup to BW3. Colt is not "veteran" enough, really, and Wallace is not "decent" enough. Also Colt being here with BW3 taking his job could be awkward...if not poisonous. And Wallace is just poisonous.

Although, in Browns history, it is a fact that they did once draft a QB who started for them for a year and a half...then brought in another QB who that player became the backup for.

Those players were Jim Ninowski and Frank Ryan. Ninowski was like a 3d or 4th rounder and starte for about a year and a half, then the Browns traded for Ryan who became the starter and Ninowski became his backup for a number of years.

@the-gipper said:

Tell you what....take Seneca Wallace instead and you got a deal.

Nah, I'm not interested in Wallace, McCoy has more upside and he has a better chance of actually making/contributing to the Steelers. Leftwich has more value than Wallace.

so wallace made a very poor play....if we are keeping track, then ya might not like colts numbers. didn't he, like quinn, try to throw a pass and have the ball slip out of his hands? whoops!

i also remember a terrible.....terrible interception when he tried with all his might to get the ball deep to hillis in the end zone, only to have the ball picked at the 10 yard line and returned for a TD. i went and made a sandwich before that wobbler hit a set of hands....

i could go on....its embarrassing tho so i wont.

i dont think anyone is arguing that wallace is a good QB. only that he's still better than mccoy for the backup QB at THIS time.

@calfoxwc said:

Wallace ran out of bounds like a sissy. Made rookie mistakes,

and couldn't win one game.

The end.

Oh, okay. He failed to win one game.

Colts failed to win every game but...what...4?

@calfoxwc said:

Wallace ran out of bounds like a sissy. Made rookie mistakes,

and couldn't win one game.

The end.

running out of bounds when you need one yard...time running out...game on the line...the yard is there to be had...I get it.

its an enormous brainfart from a supposedly highly experienced QB for sure, and for many its inexcusable. but, sadly people are mortal. hopefully he cares as much about it as we do, but it is what it is.

but that doesn't mean we tolerate sissies, either! ANY Brownie that ever shys from contact gots ta go, includin any pussy QB's!

and couldn't win one game.

The end.

@miktoxic said:

and my weed is laced as well. HA!

i'm post the way i react to some of people's dumb posts. how short-sighted are u assholes? trade mccoy but keep wallace? for real? at least we know mccoy can at least play in this division. maybe even have succeeded with some OL help a running game and some receivers who can at least catch the fucking ball.

everyone is so flippin excited that we've got this strong armed qb. great. i hope the guy lights it up. but he'll also have those pieces of the puzzle at his disposal that colt didn't. so if he doesn't light it up then what dummies? is he then worse than colt or do we need to draft another qb next year? it must be nice just to live in the moment and not look at the road ahead. everything is great and we're going to the super bowl. yippee!! i'm not pissed at weeden. i'm pissed at the piss poor draft. that's my beef. yeah we got our rb a qb and rt after that name me a player that can come in and make on difference on any side of the ball. with 12 fucking picks? don't cry for me argentina when ray rice is running through our lb corp for 40 yards a clip. or our corners are letting receivers fly by them like they're stuck in glue or that beautiful strongly thrown spiral is dropped by our 'scary good' wr corp.

enough rant. point is i'd rather see mccoy in there if (god forbid)something happened to weeden, not wallace.

Youre so quick to say that McCoy suffered from lack of playmakers, protection, what have you..yet you condemn Wallace for not making plays with the same team?

When Wallace got the nod over McCoy in 2010, his stats were actually pretty decent until he got hurt in Atlanta. He looked a hell of a lot better in his worst games in that stretch than McCoy has looked in his best games.

So why again are you for McCoy over a more mobile, more experienced QB who's performed better with the same team?

@choco said:

please mik...quit crying for colt. you want more for weeden to fail so you can be right. dont fucking deny it....your posts are laced with vitriol.

and my weed is laced as well. HA!

i'm post the way i react to some of people's dumb posts. how short-sighted are u assholes? trade mccoy but keep wallace? for real? at least we know mccoy can at least play in this division. maybe even have succeeded with some OL help a running game and some receivers who can at least catch the fucking ball.

everyone is so flippin excited that we've got this strong armed qb. great. i hope the guy lights it up. but he'll also have those pieces of the puzzle at his disposal that colt didn't. so if he doesn't light it up then what dummies? is he then worse than colt or do we need to draft another qb next year? it must be nice just to live in the moment and not look at the road ahead. everything is great and we're going to the super bowl. yippee!! i'm not pissed at weeden. i'm pissed at the piss poor draft. that's my beef. yeah we got our rb a qb and rt after that name me a player that can come in and make on difference on any side of the ball. with 12 fucking picks? don't cry for me argentina when ray rice is running through our lb corp for 40 yards a clip. or our corners are letting receivers fly by them like they're stuck in glue or that beautiful strongly thrown spiral is dropped by our 'scary good' wr corp.

enough rant. point is i'd rather see mccoy in there if (god forbid)something happened to weeden, not wallace.

Endymion said:

I know a guy, who knows a guy, who knows the cop who worked with the cop that arrested Kordell Stewart...er, wrong story.

Anyways, I would trade you one noodle arm Colt McCoy plus a conditional 7th round draft pick for one rocket arm but highly immobile QB named Byron Leftwich. I've got Colbert on hold, so hook me up with H or H and let's get this deal done.

Tell you what....take Seneca Wallace instead and you got a deal.

The fact is, if the Browns are going to make the decision to dump McCoy, I think they should also dump Wallace. He is about worthless in my eyes.

Believe it or not the guy that I wouldn't mind seeing the Browns bring in to be Weeden't mentor/backup is Donovan McNabb. I don't believe he has a team, nor has he expressed an interest in retiring. And certainly he knows Heckert/Shurmur/Childress and their system.

Anyways, I would trade you one noodle arm Colt McCoy plus a conditional 7th round draft pick for one rocket arm but highly immobile QB named Byron Leftwich. I've got Colbert on hold, so hook me up with H or H and let's get this deal done.

Sid Luckman 3rd

Otto Graham 3rd

Chuck Bednarik 3rd

Tommy McDonald 3rd

Bobby Bell 3rd

Dick Butkus 3rd

Bob Griese 2d

John Elway 2d

Eric Dickerson 3rd

Steve Young 2d

Troy Aikman 3rd

And just as a reminder these are the Heisman winners that are in the PFHOF:

Paul Hornung

Roger Staubach

OJ Simpson

Tony Dorsett

Earl Campbell

Marcus Allen

Barry Sanders

@harry-buffalo said:

Agreed, I just include those factors into what makes a great college QB. All factors considered I would consider most of those QB's you mentioned to be better college QB's than Colt. That doesn't mean he wasn't a great college QB, but he was no where near the best.

I don't know if I would consider most or any of those better college QBs than McCoy. The best college QB doesn't always win the Heisman I don't think. Here is a list of the QBs that took the runnerup spot in the Heisman voting since 1990, that did not at some point also win a Heisman:

Andrew Luck twice

Colt McCoy

Brad Banks

Rex Grossman

Josh Heupel

Vince Young

Joe Hamilton

Michael Bishop

Peyton Manning

Tommy Frazier

Heath Shuler

Casey Weldon

Here is the list of QBs who finished third in Heisman voting who did not later win a trophy:

Colt McCoy

Colt Brennan

Brady Quinn

Eli Manning

Ken Dorsey

Drew Brees

Michael Vick

Cade McNown

Ryan Leaf

Jake Plummer

Steve McNair

It looks like taking 3rd in the Heisman race and playing QB for the Cleveland Browns is not a very good combination (McCoy, Quinn,Dorsey)

@the-gipper said:

Winning National Championships a Heisman's are also far from credentials that make you a quality NFL QB.

Cam Newton may be the first Heisman/National Champ QB to become a decent NFL QB in like 25 years.

Just off the top of my head you have the Gino Torreta's/Chris Weinke's/Jason Whites/Tebows/Leinerts/Danny Weurffels/Charlie Wards/Eric Crouch, all Heisman winners...most if not all won national championships.....none worth much of a damn as an NFL QB. Hell, right now Tebow looks better than any of the rest with his one playoff win.

The only other Heisman/title winning QB to do much has been Carson Palmer, and honestly, he has been a bit of a disappointment overall....though some of that can be attributed to the hit he took in that playoff game vs. the Steelers.

Agreed, I just include those factors into what makes a great college QB. All factors considered I would consider most of those QB's you mentioned to be better college QB's than Colt. That doesn't mean he wasn't a great college QB, but he was no where near the best.

Maybe its a good thing that TR didn't win the Heisman for the Browns sake.

@harry-buffalo said:

1: not the most winningest QB in the NCAA anymore, you would think a "journalist" would know that.

2: there are other factors that are included into what makes a great college QB. Wins obviously but also national championships and heismans. Colt won games but he never won the big game and he never won the heisman. Just off the top of my head without thinking too much about it I would call both Leinhart and Tebow better college QBs.

Winning National Championships a Heisman's are also far from credentials that make you a quality NFL QB.

Cam Newton may be the first Heisman/National Champ QB to become a decent NFL QB in like 25 years.

Just off the top of my head you have the Gino Torreta's/Chris Weinke's/Jason Whites/Tebows/Leinerts/Danny Weurffels/Charlie Wards/Eric Crouch, all Heisman winners...most if not all won national championships.....none worth much of a damn as an NFL QB. Hell, right now Tebow looks better than any of the rest with his one playoff win.

The only other Heisman/title winning QB to do much has been Carson Palmer, and honestly, he has been a bit of a disappointment overall....though some of that can be attributed to the hit he took in that playoff game vs. the Steelers.

@miktoxic said:

what king, douche? there hasn't been one player on this team in years besides joe thomas that could be called 'king' of their position.

you're just another none caring mfer that lives in the moment. let's see if the new 'king' (at qb) can live up to his billing. if not, there'll be a lot of sad bitches getting tongue lashed by realistic fans like me.

who's got the better record right now as an nfl qb....weeden or mccoy?

yep. and all you other little flippin pieces of shit who think mccoy should be traded but keep wallace are out of your flippin minds.

go shit in a hat.

drink much?? mix in some water..

@miktoxic said:

what king, douche? there hasn't been one player on this team in years besides joe thomas that could be called 'king' of their position.

you're just another none caring mfer that lives in the moment. let's see if the new 'king' (at qb) can live up to his billing. if not, there'll be a lot of sad bitches getting tongue lashed by realistic fans like me.

who's got the better record right now as an nfl qb....weeden or mccoy?

yep. and all you other little flippin pieces of shit who think mccoy should be traded but keep wallace are out of your flippin minds.

go shit in a hat.

Rodney king duh!

@mike-h said:

That's like a triple negative, woah.

But yeah, Colt = winningest college QB ever...

More of this dude talking out of his ass as usual

1: not the most winningest QB in the NCAA anymore, you would think a "journalist" would know that.

2: there are other factors that are included into what makes a great college QB. Wins obviously but also national championships and heismans. Colt won games but he never won the big game and he never won the heisman. Just off the top of my head without thinking too much about it I would call both Leinhart and Tebow better college QBs.

@miktoxic said:

what king, douche? there hasn't been one player on this team in years besides joe thomas that could be called 'king' of their position.

you're just another none caring mfer that lives in the moment. let's see if the new 'king' (at qb) can live up to his billing. if not, there'll be a lot of sad bitches getting tongue lashed by realistic fans like me.

who's got the better record right now as an nfl qb....weeden or mccoy?

yep. and all you other little flippin pieces of shit who think mccoy should be traded but keep wallace are out of your flippin minds.

go shit in a hat.

Who's got a better NFL record right now: Luck or Leaf?

Then I guess that means Indy should be giving the prisons a call, trying to find their new starting QB.

@wrrebel said:

the king is dead..

what king, douche? there hasn't been one player on this team in years besides joe thomas that could be called 'king' of their position.

you're just another none caring mfer that lives in the moment. let's see if the new 'king' (at qb) can live up to his billing. if not, there'll be a lot of sad bitches getting tongue lashed by realistic fans like me.

who's got the better record right now as an nfl qb....weeden or mccoy?

yep. and all you other little flippin pieces of shit who think mccoy should be traded but keep wallace are out of your flippin minds.

go shit in a hat.

@harry-buffalo said:

It's like the people in that family just can not fathom that McCoy is not a good NFL QB. Your family isn't made of gods and there were better College QB's who have failed in the NFL.

Not that I don't disagree with the sentiment of this post... but There weren't very many QB's in College better than Colt.