@the-gipper said:

I do understand the history. I just don't think it is all that good of a name for a sports team. I guess I believe that because it does come from a somewhat obscure historical situation that it is too subtle.

Fair enough! As a huge PENS fans I kind of like the name Bluejackets.

Zombo said:

Then we would be left with fixing the following:

N.O Hornets to ???? Katrina and the Waves The Waves might actually be pretty good.

Utah Jazz to Mormans Politically incorrect. How about The Pioneers?

Miami Heat to Flying Douchebags though aptly descriptive, why not smething more indigeneous, like The Alligators or the Manatees

Tampa Bay Lightning to Butt Pirates Manatees would go good here as well

Sacramento Kings to Ball Sacs The Gold Diggers or The Bees (after its newspaper)

Oklahoma City Thunder to....Indian Givers (note, the land that is Oklahoma was "given" to the Indians after their enforced march along the Trail of Tears

Colorado Avalanche to Clusterfucks First off, why do they have to be the "Colorado" anythings. What is wrong with being the Denver Whatevers? Denver Mints?

Winnipeg Jets to don't change!

Washington Redskins to don't change!

Maybe even Cleveland Indians to don't change!

Columbus Bluejackets to....Cameltoes

@1-more-season said:

Why would you want to change the name of the Bluejackets? A man with an appreciation of history such as you should recognize the significance and reason for the name Bluejackets.

I do understand the history. I just don't think it is all that good of a name for a sports team. I guess I believe that because it does come from a somewhat obscure historical situation that it is too subtle.

@the-gipper said:

Yes, lets get back to the true premise of this thread....teams that need a name change.

Columbus Bluejackets to....Derechos????

Why would you want to change the name of the Bluejackets? A man with an appreciation of history such as you should recognize the significance and reason for the name Bluejackets.

@slowburn said:

do u live anywhere near Storm Mountain, NY???

an hour south on the other side of the river.

@miktoxic said:

are you a band of gypsies or migrant workers?

well most places have people that actually have places to go and people to meet, not just drive around doing 35 mph on the hwy in the left lane with their blinker on for 8-12 hrs a day. my advice to you is stay there because you couldn't deal with what people here deal with every fucking day of their life. does it mean it sucks? no. would i rather be in ohio where i grew up? hell yes. but what we make in 4 months here we couldn't make in a year there. i know people that rent 2 level 4 bdr homes where i'm from that cost less than what we pay for a 2 bdrm apt. BUT i'm a 30 min train ride away from the biggest city in the world. not a block away from a pile of horseshit and the ginsu knife factory.

and to all your friends who couldn't take it in places like ny because of pricks like me: tell 'em to stay out the kitchen if they can't stand the heat.....unless of course you're making red beans and rice. taco.

Mik, NYC is not the biggest city in the world. I think it ranks 19th or something.

N.O Hornets to ???? Katrina and the Waves

Utah Jazz to Mormans

Miami Heat to Flying Douchebags

Tampa Bay Lightning to Butt Pirates

Sacramento Kings to Ball Sacs

Oklahoma City Thunder to....Indian Givers

Colorado Avalanche to Clusterfucks

Winnipeg Jets to don't change!

Washington Redskins to don't change!

Maybe even Cleveland Indians to don't change!

Columbus Bluejackets to....Cameltoes

Here are some candidates:

A. As I said, any team that presents itself as a singularity:

Thunder

Heat

Lightning

Wild

Avalanche

Jazz

Magic

B. Teams that moved that kept the same name that should not have as it has nothing to do with their home area or where the alliteration is lost:

Utah Jazz

Memphis Grizzlies

New Orleans Hornets

Brooklyn Nets (OK for NY or NJ)

Indianapolis Colts.

Oddly, the LA Lakers don't bother me, even though there are few lakes in LA, it basically works.

And the opposite...the LA Clippers should call themselves the California Clippers....and they should move out of the Lakers shadow by going to play in Anaheim or back to San Diego.

C. Teams that duplicate other team names:

Yea, Sacramento Kings duplicates LA Kings. This is bad on two counts as they were the Kansas City Kings. KC was known for its "aristocratic" nicknames. The KC Monarchs were a Negro League team. Then there came The Royals...then the Kings, which worked alliteratively with KC, but not Sacramento. Plus, they have had bad karma with that name...so change it.

I don't know why Winnipeg had to bring back The Jets name. Is the Aerospace Industry big there? Leave The Jets to NY.

D. OK, maybe the politically incorrect teams like Redskins and Indians could use a name change. The Redskins name was chosen for that team by an avowed racist: George Preston Marshall. And if any name if offensive, it is that one. That would be like calling a team the Brownskins (which, perhaps, in a certain version of things that is exactly what the Browns name does....if you buy the "the teams was named after Joe the Brown Bomber Louis theory). Indians, Braves, Warriors etc. are not nearly as bad, but changing them wouldn't be so bad.

So, how do we fix some of these? Go with the following:

Some might be easy:

Instead of Minnesota Wild, just call the The Wilds

Instead of the Magic, call them The Magics (local HS here: Barberton are The Magics. It works)

Why must the Nets be the Brooklyn Nets. Brooklyn is still part of NYC, just call them the New York Nets. That is what they were to begin with.

The Memphis Grizzlies can become the Memphis Black Bears.

The Indiana Colts can become the Indiana Racers

Then we would be left with fixing the following:

N.O Hornets to ????

Utah Jazz to ????

Miami Heat to ????

Tampa Bay Lightning to ????

Sacramento Kings to ????

Oklahoma City Thunder to....Tumbleweeds?

Colorado Avalanche to ????

Winnipeg Jets to ????

Washington Redskins to ???

Maybe even Cleveland Indians to ????

Columbus Bluejackets to....Derechos????

@miktoxic said:

dude. STFU. it's old already.

i don't claim anything. the facts are the facts. yankee stadium is a 15 min train ride from the metro north station which is 2 blocks down the fucking hill from me and i rode it last night to see the concert.

where in billyfuck OK can you walk 2 blocks get on a train (no, not a wagon train) and go see thousands of different attractions, 5 star restaurants, #1 rated museums and parks and spend $8 on a bottle of water? yeah. exactly. i might go down once or twice a week now just to consult with old clients but does that mean i'm a NYC lover? no, i'm not.

ohio is my place of birth and where i learned loyalty towards my sports teams. high school: blue streaks. college: BGSU, toledo, cinci, kent state, akron, ohio and ohio state. hell cleveland state when they made it to the swseet sixteen years ago in basketball. pro: indians, cavs and browns. simple as that.

you and i went off topic on this thread a while back. you think OKC is the shit and i disagree. end of discussion.

oh yeah i said 20 miles from the city. my bad, it's 25. but i can make it in 15 minutes at 6 in the morn, drivin.....with no tumbleweeds or dead aardvarks.

do u live anywhere near Storm Mountain, NY???

Definitely think the Oklahoma Armadillos may have been a preferable name to "Thunder".

@miktoxic said:

duh...my bad.

Range of aardvark habitat:

@the-gipper said:

they have armadillos.

duh...my bad.

@miktoxic said:

dude. STFU. it's old already.

i don't claim anything. the facts are the facts. yankee stadium is a 15 min train ride from the metro north station which is 2 blocks down the fucking hill from me and i rode it last night to see the concert.

where in billyfuck OK can you walk 2 blocks get on a train (no, not a wagon train) and go see thousands of different attractions, 5 star restaurants, #1 rated museums and parks and spend $8 on a bottle of water? yeah. exactly. i might go down once or twice a week now just to consult with old clients but does that mean i'm a NYC lover? no, i'm not.

ohio is my place of birth and where i learned loyalty towards my sports teams. high school: blue streaks. college: BGSU, toledo, cinci, kent state, akron, ohio and ohio state. hell cleveland state when they made it to the swseet sixteen years ago in basketball. pro: indians, cavs and browns. simple as that.

you and i went off topic on this thread a while back. you think OKC is the shit and i disagree. end of discussion.

oh yeah i said 20 miles from the city. my bad, it's 25. but i can make it in 15 minutes at 6 in the morn, drivin.....with no tumbleweeds or dead aardvarks.

Are you suggesting that one of these names be applied to the OKC team?

Do they have aardvarks in Oklahoma? Maybe not, but they have armadillos.

@taco918 said:

So my ability to spell a word more then three syllables makes english my second language as well as my argument boring? Frankly I've already won the argument hands down. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. I'm just waiting for your concession and will continue to "yap" at you until do you. All it takes is a simple "yeah I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about." but your either too aggorgant or stupid (my money is on both) to simply admit fault. I don't give a shit about your Pink Floyd references or your attempted claim to Yankee stadium even though you live 30 minutes away from the actual city. Quite trying to change the subject like a 5 year old who knows their in trouble. Act your age and be a fucking man.

dude. STFU. it's old already.

i don't claim anything. the facts are the facts. yankee stadium is a 15 min train ride from the metro north station which is 2 blocks down the fucking hill from me and i rode it last night to see the concert.

where in billyfuck OK can you walk 2 blocks get on a train (no, not a wagon train) and go see thousands of different attractions, 5 star restaurants, #1 rated museums and parks and spend $8 on a bottle of water? yeah. exactly. i might go down once or twice a week now just to consult with old clients but does that mean i'm a NYC lover? no, i'm not.

ohio is my place of birth and where i learned loyalty towards my sports teams. high school: blue streaks. college: BGSU, toledo, cinci, kent state, akron, ohio and ohio state. hell cleveland state when they made it to the swseet sixteen years ago in basketball. pro: indians, cavs and browns. simple as that.

you and i went off topic on this thread a while back. you think OKC is the shit and i disagree. end of discussion.

oh yeah i said 20 miles from the city. my bad, it's 25. but i can make it in 15 minutes at 6 in the morn, drivin.....with no tumbleweeds or dead aardvarks.

@miktoxic said:

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you're boring. you couldn't lick the cripled cowshit off tommy v'sboots but yet you come here and YAP at me?

roger waters: the wall: opening nite: yankee stadium. trippin: now.

you>white sports coat. me>anywhere besides OKC.

calgon, take me away!

So my ability to spell a word more then three syllables makes english my second language as well as my argument boring? Frankly I've already won the argument hands down. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. I'm just waiting for your concession and will continue to "yap" at you until do you. All it takes is a simple "yeah I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about." but your either too aggorgant or stupid (my money is on both) to simply admit fault. I don't give a shit about your Pink Floyd references or your attempted claim to Yankee stadium even though you live 30 minutes away from the actual city. Quite trying to change the subject like a 5 year old who knows their in trouble. Act your age and be a fucking man.

@taco918 said:

It makes perfect sense you have no respect for someone who brings factual evidence to an argument. You prefer inaccurate assumptions and nonsensical opinions. Now I realize you'll try to dispute this with another youtube clip and a partial reply but you have yet to man up for your factually inaccurate assessment of my state or, at the very least, even an attempt to prove me wrong. If you have any respect for yourself, you would at least attempt to defend yourself, in a factual way, or admit your guilt. Keep in mind real men have no problem admitting they're wrong. It is a bit sad that a 24 year old has to remind you of that.

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you're boring. you couldn't lick the cripled cowshit off tommy v'sboots but yet you come here and YAP at me?

roger waters: the wall: opening nite: yankee stadium. trippin: now.

you>white sports coat. me>anywhere besides OKC.

calgon, take me away!

@miktoxic said:

to have your feelings hurt a remark has to be made to you by either someone you care about or someone you respect. you are neither.

now get back to the fields MFer.

It makes perfect sense you have no respect for someone who brings factual evidence to an argument. You prefer inaccurate assumptions and nonsensical opinions. Now I realize you'll try to dispute this with another youtube clip and a partial reply but you have yet to man up for your factually inaccurate assessment of my state or, at the very least, even an attempt to prove me wrong. If you have any respect for yourself, you would at least attempt to defend yourself, in a factual way, or admit your guilt. Keep in mind real men have no problem admitting they're wrong. It is a bit sad that a 24 year old has to remind you of that.

Zombo said:

I don't like that Sacramento kept the "Kings" name.

How bout the Sacramento Scrotum Blasters?

Scrotum Blasters

Zombo

How about just the Sacrament Nutsacks?

@taco918 said:

Imagine that, the "cultured New Yorker," unable to sustain a legitimate argument with the "small minded redneck," resorts to name calling, weak insults, attempted intimidation, and grossly inaccurate assumptions. Let me guess, in your next retort you will assume that all Oklahomans live in tepees, bloodletting is still the medical procedure of choice, and these fancy horseless carriages are currently all the rage down here. The fact of the matter is you started talking out your ass, I corrected your asinine statements, you got your feelings hurt because you got shown up, and instead of being a man and owning up to your false assumptions, decided to try and prove you are some how a part of some type of superior race because you can survive in the "biggest city in the world," a feat accomplished by over 8 million people on a daily basis. You know what, have your fun. If your feelings are so hurt and you need to disparage an entire state to help you feel better, go right ahead. Stay classy.

to have your feelings hurt a remark has to be made to you by either someone you care about or someone you respect. you are neither.

now get back to the fields MFer.

How bout the Sacramento Scrotum Blasters?

Scrotum Blasters

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

I think you may in fact underestimate Oklahoma as a tourist attraction. It may not be #1 in America, but it is not devoid of things to see and do there. There is the Cowboy Museum in OKC, plus the OKC Memorial that is quite poignant. Chickasaw NRA. The Rose Garden and Philbrook Museum in Tulsa. Bartlesville is interesting, particularly the Frank Lloyd Wright Building there. Though I have not driven it I understand the Talimena Trail in eastern OK is quite scenic. There are some Indian Battlefield sites in the west.

Sure, it is not say, California in appeal, but it not devoid of attraction.

Oh it undoubtedly has it's attractions but so does every other state. I actually went to the Philbrook last week with the girlfriend. Downtown Tulsa has to be my favorite though. The art deco architecture is first class.

@miktoxic said:

are you a band of gypsies or migrant workers?

well most places have people that actually have places to go and people to meet, not just drive around doing 35 mph on the hwy in the left lane with their blinker on for 8-12 hrs a day. my advice to you is stay there because you couldn't deal with what people here deal with every fucking day of their life. does it mean it sucks? no. would i rather be in ohio where i grew up? hell yes. but what we make in 4 months here we couldn't make in a year there. i know people that rent 2 level 4 bdr homes where i'm from that cost less than what we pay for a 2 bdrm apt. BUT i'm a 30 min train ride away from the biggest city in the world. not a block away from a pile of horseshit and the ginsu knife factory.

and to all your friends who couldn't take it in places like ny because of pricks like me: tell 'em to stay out the kitchen if they can't stand the heat.....unless of course you're making red beans and rice. taco.

Imagine that, the "cultured New Yorker," unable to sustain a legitimate argument with the "small minded redneck," resorts to name calling, weak insults, attempted intimidation, and grossly inaccurate assumptions. Let me guess, in your next retort you will assume that all Oklahomans live in tepees, bloodletting is still the medical procedure of choice, and these fancy horseless carriages are currently all the rage down here. The fact of the matter is you started talking out your ass, I corrected your asinine statements, you got your feelings hurt because you got shown up, and instead of being a man and owning up to your false assumptions, decided to try and prove you are some how a part of some type of superior race because you can survive in the "biggest city in the world," a feat accomplished by over 8 million people on a daily basis. You know what, have your fun. If your feelings are so hurt and you need to disparage an entire state to help you feel better, go right ahead. Stay classy.

@miktoxic said:

i'm not selling NYC at all. as a matter of fact i hate going into the city. i was comparing being able to go into NYC in minutes to actually see something than drive 2 hours to go to arbys.

i don't live in the city. i live in a village over looking the hudson river about 15 miles north of the city. taxes are sky high. housing costs are sky high. you know why? because people that want to start or move their family to a very nice place with great schools and still work in the city and make a king's ransom choose this area.

i live on broadway. yeah the same broadway that if you follow it south through yonkers and the bronx will take you to the 'great white way' (gay). sure you don't want to get caught in parts of the bronx or harlem, but that's anywhere. i can go 5 miles down the road into yonkers and drive down a tree laden 3 million dollar a house block, turn the corner and see a bunch of punks selling drugs.

just not cool to think that just because i live in ny that i'm some uppity asshole. don't forget i was raised in middle class sandusky ohio. hell i'll be the first person to say hi to ya. just living here chances are i won't be getting a response.

You can take Broadway all the way to Canada if you want, FYI. You can say you live on Broadway if you live in Plattsburg. It is not quite as cool as it was for my next door neighbor's son who, until earlier this year went to work at the address that was 1 Broadway, New York, New York.

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

For the love of fuck. Derecho? THIS is how hard up for football we have become?

TRAINING CAMP PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HURRY UP AND START.

Im with you on that Tom.,LOL!