wallace has as much use as a one legged cat trying to bury a turd on a frozen lake.

@mike-h said:

Preseason power rankings are as useful as a mock draft after the top 5.

That would be as useful as a poopy flavored lollipop.

Or, per my Dad's expression: Useless as a tit on a boar hog?

@choco said:

Gotta agree with mik, in that we seriously need to cool off on anointing all these young guys as all-pro caliber.

Seriously.....its getting outta hand.

We dont know anything yet....can gordon get off a jam at the line, will joes poor sophomore season be the anomaly, can weeden adjust to the speed of the nfl game, was big phil that important?

Theres oh so very few players on this team that are consistent and dependable. Haden, ward and lavauo are still young and unknown to a degree.....how in the hell can we rationalize all the variables? Just no easy answers. While i recognize its merely opinions vailed in certainty.....it just sounds like theres gonna be some pissed off browns fans this season. Lofty expectations being thrown around regarding a team playing so many youngsters....

Totally agree. Its great having enthusiasm but lets not get ahead of ourselves and be set up for a let down. Go to any teams forum and you'll see the same things. All the new rookies are already pro bowlers and their team is setup for the playoffs. How can any team possibly get worse with new elite talent? Well it happens. I'm optimistic and excited but I'll hold all playoff reservations until the season starts.

Remember last season. We had us running through the Bengals cuz they had a rookie qb from tcu.

I hope we struck gold but am holding reservations until real game play.

Seriously.....its getting outta hand.

We dont know anything yet....can gordon get off a jam at the line, will joes poor sophomore season be the anomaly, can weeden adjust to the speed of the nfl game, was big phil that important?

Theres oh so very few players on this team that are consistent and dependable. Haden, ward and lavauo are still young and unknown to a degree.....how in the hell can we rationalize all the variables? Just no easy answers. While i recognize its merely opinions vailed in certainty.....it just sounds like theres gonna be some pissed off browns fans this season. Lofty expectations being thrown around regarding a team playing so many youngsters....

I also hate this frequent belief that Weedan can't succeed until we get rid of Colt. Where are you getting this stuff from? Is it proven there's bad blood between them? Got evidence Colt makes Weedan nervous? Colt might make an awesome back up QB and I think you need evidence to argue otherwise.

@poeticg said:

Brandon Weeden

Colt McCoy

Joe Thomas

Jason Pinkston

Alex Mack

Ryan Miller

Mitchell Schwartz

Shawn Lavao

Ben Watson

Evan Moore

Jordan Cameron

Trent Richardson

Brandon Jackson

Montario Hardesty

Brad Smelley

Greg Little

Josh Cribbs

Josh Gordon

Mohammed Massaquoi

Carlton Mitchell

Travis Benjamin

I've got my money on these 21 players to figure it out. I see a lot of potential and firepower in this group. I think this offense matches up very well with just about any offense in the league IMO.

With Brandon and Colt we've got ourselves a good problem. If Weeden struggles then Colt can step in and take the load and allow Weeden to learn. In our Line I see a WALL ||||| In our runningbacks I'm interested in who will be backing up Richardson, as I'm sure Trent will storm the league and cause MASS SHOCK AND AWE! I love our group of TEs! I really, really like our young WRs, I'm so glad that we decided to forgo the veterans and build with potential young superstars. This group plus Smelley puts our offense in as a VERY young group that will grow together and gell in time to be a dominating force for years to come.

i love the fact that we're young and can grow together but half those guys on the list wouldn't make the practice squad on most other teams. i'm talking top line quality players who make pro bowls. this team there is thomas, mack, haden, and maybe ward if he's healthy. TR could be if he's not a bust. who knows about weeden. i wonder if he'd be getting up off the field as fast massaqua and mccoy did after getting leveled by harrison? hell, i'm fifty and wouldn't think to do today physically what i could do when i was 22. age does make a difference. and if our OL doesn't gell right away i don't see TR having a 2,000 yard year or weeden staying healthy the whole season. smelley ain't no marecjic who ain't no vickers. just ask hillis.

Colt McCoy

Joe Thomas

Jason Pinkston

Alex Mack

Ryan Miller

Mitchell Schwartz

Shawn Lavao

Ben Watson

Evan Moore

Jordan Cameron

Trent Richardson

Brandon Jackson

Montario Hardesty

Brad Smelley

Greg Little

Josh Cribbs

Josh Gordon

Mohammed Massaquoi

Carlton Mitchell

Travis Benjamin

I've got my money on these 21 players to figure it out. I see a lot of potential and firepower in this group. I think this offense matches up very well with just about any offense in the league IMO.

With Brandon and Colt we've got ourselves a good problem. If Weeden struggles then Colt can step in and take the load and allow Weeden to learn. In our Line I see a WALL ||||| In our runningbacks I'm interested in who will be backing up Richardson, as I'm sure Trent will storm the league and cause MASS SHOCK AND AWE! I love our group of TEs! I really, really like our young WRs, I'm so glad that we decided to forgo the veterans and build with potential young superstars. This group plus Smelley puts our offense in as a VERY young group that will grow together and gell in time to be a dominating force for years to come.

@unsympathetic said:

The Browns offense has improved greatly.

on paper we have. we added the number one RB prospect in the draft, the 4th best QB prospect, a RG and who else?

so i guess little is our #1 receiver? then momass. then who? noone else has done diddly squat. our FB is a question mark. our tight ends (besides watson) are suspect,

sure our left side of the OL is great but adding three players does not make a team.

we'll be lucky to win 6 games but i'm leaning more towards 5.

I like using next year's second on Gordon: the only way we'd get a better WR is to use our #1 next year on this position for Keenan Allen or Robert Woods. So with that 2013 first-round pick we're free to take one of the DE's to pair with Sheard.

I also think Trevin Wade will earn playing time this year at slot CB.

@represent said:

2 things for forums trolls though you got me to respond which makes you good at what you do.

1. You don't know how to fact check to well since threads and post are time stamped, but i am not sure you would understand that concept so it's a mute point.

2. I clearly VERY CLEARLY stated we couldn't be ranked 32nd based on our defense alone, nothing about our rookies performing well "stop making up shit in ya mind".

The Browns will be better this year book it poser.... Read it, time stamp it, save this thread for the dickhead the Cleveland Browns will win 10 or more games this year. YA i fucking said it i believe my team to be better than what you believe they will be.

our defense will be better this year? really? without one of our best DLmen? you are high.

we had a weaker schedule last year and only won 4 fucking games. you must 'represent' dumbasses. we'll be lucky to win 7 games and that's all dependent on the play of our highly touted strong armed old rookie qb and if TR was worth the 3rd pick and future picks. they ain't seen nothing in their past that can get them ready for our division foe's defenses.

@gafreleets said:

why are you guys so in love with the Steelers? seriously....we weren't even the division champs last year. worry about putting together a winning season, because you managed to put up the 4th worst record in the NFL and it's odd that the main priority of browns fans is beating the Steelers (finally).

Maybe because the Steelers franchise model is something that is and should be respected? How often do you guys make the playoffs? How many Super Bowls have you been to in the last decade? How many have you won? The Ravens may have won the division, but in my opinion, the franchise is not quite at the dominant level that the Steelers have been for years. I know you're a troll, but this shouldn't surprise you.

@choco said:

2 things....

one.....that top 10 D wasn't tested, and only top 10 because we were giving up 200 yards rushing and 100 passing.....or more specifically, teams had us beat at halftime because we couldn't score. there is a correlation, but this isn't to say the pass D is a complete myth. we held team to a low number of yards, in part to teams not needing to score on us. considering the list of poor passers we played last year, i think youre a bit overboard in considering our D top 10. if you dig deeper into the ranking stats, our D is good in some areas and weak in others.

you cant argue we improved more....because those players youre evaluating haven't played yet. the jags got blackmon, skins rgiii, colts luck.......so just how are you quantifying you anger? youre really saying we SHOULD improve more based on how our rookies SHOULD preform.....but lets not be foolish enough to assume that what exists on paper exists in reality. what if weedz is DA bad? obviously, we all have the O&B glasses on and dont wanna consider that....but its certainly a possibility.

much like you thought we were a guaranteed 11-5 team last year.....and emotional prediction. we overhauled the offense in a single year....yes.....with rookies. if youre expecting this offense to take the league by storm, then youre simply making the same mistake you made last year. keep it realistic....theyre gonna struggle, theyre gonna make some great plays, it'll be a rollercoaster season by all indications. 3 rookies at 3 key positions....not exactly a guaranteed successful formula.

5th in points scored aginst....that is all that matters to me.

@choco said:

2 things....

one.....that top 10 D wasn't tested, and only top 10 because we were giving up 200 yards rushing and 100 passing.....or more specifically, teams had us beat at halftime because we couldn't score. there is a correlation, but this isn't to say the pass D is a complete myth. we held team to a low number of yards, in part to teams not needing to score on us. considering the list of poor passers we played last year, i think youre a bit overboard in considering our D top 10. if you dig deeper into the ranking stats, our D is good in some areas and weak in others.

you cant argue we improved more....because those players youre evaluating haven't played yet. the jags got blackmon, skins rgiii, colts luck.......so just how are you quantifying you anger? youre really saying we SHOULD improve more based on how our rookies SHOULD preform.....but lets not be foolish enough to assume that what exists on paper exists in reality. what if weedz is DA bad? obviously, we all have the O&B glasses on and dont wanna consider that....but its certainly a possibility.

much like you thought we were a guaranteed 11-5 team last year.....and emotional prediction. we overhauled the offense in a single year....yes.....with rookies. if youre expecting this offense to take the league by storm, then youre simply making the same mistake you made last year. keep it realistic....theyre gonna struggle, theyre gonna make some great plays, it'll be a rollercoaster season by all indications. 3 rookies at 3 key positions....not exactly a guaranteed successful formula.

2 things for forums trolls though you got me to respond which makes you good at what you do.

1. You don't know how to fact check to well since threads and post are time stamped, but i am not sure you would understand that concept so it's a mute point.

2. I clearly VERY CLEARLY stated we couldn't be ranked 32nd based on our defense alone, nothing about our rookies performing well "stop making up shit in ya mind".

The Browns will be better this year book it poser.... Read it, time stamp it, save this thread for the dickhead the Cleveland Browns will win 10 or more games this year. YA i fucking said it i believe my team to be better than what you believe they will be.

@gafreleets said:

why are you guys so in love with the Steelers? seriously....we weren't even the division champs last year. worry about putting together a winning season, because you managed to put up the 4th worst record in the NFL and it's odd that the main priority of browns fans is beating the Steelers (finally).

WTF?!?!? do you and your troll buddies get text messages sent to you as soon as somebody types in the word steelers on the brownsboard? Or do you seriously troll that much in here?

You are what your record is, no more, no less. When this team starts playing games, then we can talk about where they rate by looking at the records.

@represent said:

The Browns defense held up last year for its schemes and was in the top 5 for along time and a def top 10 easily, to have the browns dead last at 32 based on our defensive ratings and play last year i don't wanna read your preseason ratings.

Browns realistically could be 22-24 atm buw not dead fucking last. You don't gotta bring up the Jags, Dolphins, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, Colts, Redskins, and Bucs each of those teams i could argue did not improve as much as the Browns did in post draft/fa/S.draft.

2 things....

one.....that top 10 D wasn't tested, and only top 10 because we were giving up 200 yards rushing and 100 passing.....or more specifically, teams had us beat at halftime because we couldn't score. there is a correlation, but this isn't to say the pass D is a complete myth. we held team to a low number of yards, in part to teams not needing to score on us. considering the list of poor passers we played last year, i think youre a bit overboard in considering our D top 10. if you dig deeper into the ranking stats, our D is good in some areas and weak in others.

you cant argue we improved more....because those players youre evaluating haven't played yet. the jags got blackmon, skins rgiii, colts luck.......so just how are you quantifying you anger? youre really saying we SHOULD improve more based on how our rookies SHOULD preform.....but lets not be foolish enough to assume that what exists on paper exists in reality. what if weedz is DA bad? obviously, we all have the O&B glasses on and dont wanna consider that....but its certainly a possibility.

much like you thought we were a guaranteed 11-5 team last year.....and emotional prediction. we overhauled the offense in a single year....yes.....with rookies. if youre expecting this offense to take the league by storm, then youre simply making the same mistake you made last year. keep it realistic....theyre gonna struggle, theyre gonna make some great plays, it'll be a rollercoaster season by all indications. 3 rookies at 3 key positions....not exactly a guaranteed successful formula.

The media doesn't put a lot of thought into this. We've got a historically bad (recent history) 4-12 team that ended the season on a long losing streak had no free agent splash and is starting a rookie QB ... Boom! #32

Doesn't mean a fucking thing.

I remember the 80's when both the Browns and the Indians were on the cover of Sports Illustrated as the favorites to win it all in the same year ... The Browns lost in excruciatingly heartbreaking fashion and the Indians lost 100 games.

Pick me last so I can embarrass 31 different teams on my way to the top.

Zombo

@represent said:

The Browns defense held up last year for its schemes and was in the top 5 for along time and a def top 10 easily, to have the browns dead last at 32 based on our defensive ratings and play last year i don't wanna read your preseason ratings.

Browns realistically could be 22-24 atm buw not dead fucking last. You don't gotta bring up the Jags, Dolphins, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, Colts, Redskins, and Bucs each of those teams i could argue did not improve as much as the Browns did in post draft/fa/S.draft.

When you are that far at the bottom of the barrel, does it really matter exactly how deep? All those teams, including the Browns, are terrible in their own special way. Maybe this year will prove different. I certainly hope so.

Browns realistically could be 22-24 atm buw not dead fucking last. You don't gotta bring up the Jags, Dolphins, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, Colts, Redskins, and Bucs each of those teams i could argue did not improve as much as the Browns did in post draft/fa/S.draft.

@the-cysko-kid said:

No its not. Marty mcfly arrived in the future in 2015.

Yea, it was 2015.

So, we have 3 years for science and technology to deliver on holographic movies, hoverboards, flying cars, and Mr. Fusion.