I watched his interviews before and after. And, the Browns draft for character - everybody knows the Browns

do 14 tons of homework on their draftees. And the quote wasn't mine - read again.

@calfoxwc said:

I missed this if it was already posted on the board: (from Rotoworld)

"One NFL executive told ESPN's Adam Schefter that Browns supplemental rookie Josh Gordon possesses "Randy Moss-like talents."

Another called Gordon a "faster Brandon Marshall." Schefter acknowledges "major questions" about Gordon's maturity, determination, and decision making. The NFL clearly was high on Gordon's on-field ability, even if the Moss and Marshall comparisons are over the top. The Browns believe they've formed their three-wide set of the future with Gordon, Greg Little, and Travis Benjamin"

He doesn't seem to be an immature head case at all. Seems like a humble, growing up kid that will make the Browns proud to have taken a chance on him.

shit with the right agents and spin doctors they could turn you into an obama supporter. HA!

"One NFL executive told ESPN's Adam Schefter that Browns supplemental rookie Josh Gordon possesses "Randy Moss-like talents."

Another called Gordon a "faster Brandon Marshall." Schefter acknowledges "major questions" about Gordon's maturity, determination, and decision making. The NFL clearly was high on Gordon's on-field ability, even if the Moss and Marshall comparisons are over the top. The Browns believe they've formed their three-wide set of the future with Gordon, Greg Little, and Travis Benjamin"

He doesn't seem to be an immature head case at all. Seems like a humble, growing up kid that will make the Browns proud to have taken a chance on him.

@the-gipper said:

OK, Wooten was the one I couldn't recall. I couldn't recall if Hickerson was RG or LG.

For some reason I thought he played next to Schafrath. But, apparently, no.

In essence, Shaun Lauvao is the current successor to the Hall of Famer Hickerson. A lot to live up to.

Does anyone think perhaps Ryan Miller may step into that slot over Lauvao?

That would then mean possibly 5 rookie starters on offense this year if that happened.

I think they really like Lauvao, and with 16 starts under his belt I expect him to keep the job. But we are finally getting enough depth that we can talk about backups as starters!

Zombo

Zombo said:

According to Pro Football Reference, Hickerson was the starting right guard and John Wooten the starting left guard that season. Not sure about that particular game.

Zombo

OK, Wooten was the one I couldn't recall. I couldn't recall if Hickerson was RG or LG.

For some reason I thought he played next to Schafrath. But, apparently, no.

In essence, Shaun Lauvao is the current successor to the Hall of Famer Hickerson. A lot to live up to.

Does anyone think perhaps Ryan Miller may step into that slot over Lauvao?

That would then mean possibly 5 rookie starters on offense this year if that happened.

@the-gipper said:

I thought he was like the strong safety. I know that Jim Houston and Vince Costello were starting LBs for the Browns that day. And you say Fis was the 3rd LB (no 3-4s in those days).

OK, so here would be the starting lineup for the Browns in 1964:

Defense:

Paul Wiggins LDE

Dick Modzewlewski LDT

Bill Glass RDE

Jim Kanicki RDT

Vince Costello MLB

Fiss RLB

Jim Houston LLB

Walter Beach RCB

Larry Benz LS

Bernie Parrish LCB

Ross Fichtner RS

Offense:

Frank Ryan QB

Ernie Green HB

Jim Brown FB

Gary Collins WR

Paul Warfield WR

Johnny Brewer TE

Dick Shafrath LT

Monte Clark RT

Gene Hickerson LG

John Morrow C

I am having some trouble with the Right Guard

Leroy Kelly and Walter Roberts were Kick/Punt returners

Groza the Kicker

Collins the punter

Bob Gain top backup on the DL

According to Pro Football Reference, Hickerson was the starting right guard and John Wooten the starting left guard that season. Not sure about that particular game.

Zombo

@ballpeen said:

First, I was wrong. He was 35.

He was a linebacker. Played the game of his life in the 64 championship game. He was all over the place. The team captain led the charge.

I thought he was like the strong safety. I know that Jim Houston and Vince Costello were starting LBs for the Browns that day. And you say Fis was the 3rd LB (no 3-4s in those days).

OK, so here would be the starting lineup for the Browns in 1964:

Defense:

Paul Wiggins LDE

Dick Modzewlewski LDT

Bill Glass RDE

Jim Kanicki RDT

Vince Costello MLB

Fiss RLB

Jim Houston LLB

Walter Beach RCB

Larry Benz LS

Bernie Parrish LCB

Ross Fichtner RS

Offense:

Frank Ryan QB

Ernie Green HB

Jim Brown FB

Gary Collins WR

Paul Warfield WR

Johnny Brewer TE

Dick Shafrath LT

Monte Clark RT

Gene Hickerson LG

John Morrow C

I am having some trouble with the Right Guard

Leroy Kelly and Walter Roberts were Kick/Punt returners

Groza the Kicker

Collins the punter

Bob Gain top backup on the DL

He was a linebacker. Played the game of his life in the 64 championship game. He was all over the place. The team captain led the charge.

@the-gipper said:

He started in the AFL where it was allowed, when he came into the NFL they had to give him a special exemption to wear that number. They did the same with Jim Otto and his 00 number.

Otto's number had two significant aspect to it. Firt, it represented the first and last letter of his name O--O. Also, it is an "ottomottopeea" where a word sounds like what it is.

If you say Aught-Oh 00 you know

Onomatopoeia

That I didn't know (about Alworth getting special exemption). It clears that up a lot.

FWIW, I did some research, and the rule change allowing receivers to wear in the teens was passed in 2004. I was confused though about Alworth.

@kerrigan91 said:

Lance Alworth wore 19 through his whole career.

He started in the AFL where it was allowed, when he came into the NFL they had to give him a special exemption to wear that number. They did the same with Jim Otto and his 00 number.

Otto's number had two significant aspect to it. Firt, it represented the first and last letter of his name O--O. Also, it is an "ottomottopeea" where a word sounds like what it is.

If you say Aught-Oh 00 you know

Onomatopoeia

@the-gipper said:

It has not been that long, I am almost certain of that. 1993 maybe or even 2003.

Lance Alworth wore 19 through his whole career.

@kerrigan91 said:

Receivers have been allowed to wear numbers in the teens since the 1973.

It has not been that long, I am almost certain of that. 1993 maybe or even 2003.

@ballpeen said:

Otto wore #60 for a long time.

Yes, but he switched to 14 for the NFL, and that is the number they retired.

Galen Fiss was what, #34??

He was a DB no? So that would have been right in with the numbering system.

@mark-o said:

I'm probably in the minority on this one....but I kinda like watching college games and seeing linebackers or DB's with single digit numbers. It's kinda cool seeing numbers all over the place. I want to see a QB with the number 91 at some point in a college game.

College numbers can be all over the place. In the pros however I like the old numbering system.

QBs/K singles or teens

DB/RBs 20s/30s/40s

LBs 50s

Centers/Guards 60s

DTs &OTs 70s

WRs/TEs 80s

DEs/DTs 90s

@mark-o said:

I'm probably in the minority on this one....but I kinda like watching college games and seeing linebackers or DB's with single digit numbers. It's kinda cool seeing numbers all over the place. I want to see a QB with the number 91 at some point in a college game.

Otto wore #60 for a long time.

Galen Fiss was what, #34??

@the-gipper said:

What they allow and what they should do are two different things. For most of my life WRs were required to wear numbers in the 80s. Why did that need to change?

(I think it was because some team ended up retiring the numbers of any half way decent player they had on their team and ran out of 80s numbers) Single digit and teen numbers were reserved for QBs and Kickers.

I'm probably in the minority on this one....but I kinda like watching college games and seeing linebackers or DB's with single digit numbers. It's kinda cool seeing numbers all over the place. I want to see a QB with the number 91 at some point in a college game.

@the-gipper said:

What they allow and what they should do are two different things. For most of my life WRs were required to wear numbers in the 80s. Why did that need to change?

(I think it was because some team ended up retiring the numbers of any half way decent player they had on their team and ran out of 80s numbers) Single digit and teen numbers were reserved for QBs and Kickers.

Yup Gip, that's exactly what happened.

@hoorta said:

Come on Gip- you should know better than that- they let receivers wear numbers in the teens now. Remember Butterfingers Braylon #17?

What they allow and what they should do are two different things. For most of my life WRs were required to wear numbers in the 80s. Why did that need to change?

(I think it was because some team ended up retiring the numbers of any half way decent player they had on their team and ran out of 80s numbers) Single digit and teen numbers were reserved for QBs and Kickers.

@the-gipper said:

He is a wide receiver. He needs to wear a number in the 80s. Since 3s are wild (BW3, TR33) make it 83.

Come on Gip- you should know better than that- they let receivers wear numbers in the teens now. Remember Butterfingers Braylon #17?

@kerrigan91 said:

Your FO is good. They don't even have all their 2012 draft picks signed and they already have one from 2013 inked.

nice.

hey we can either cry the blues or act as though we are the baddest MFers on the block.

didn't like this past years draft after the first three picks. hope they are all that they are touted to be.

how about these other guys that we've expected to step up at the WR position in the last couple of years. can the real carlton mitchell pleez stand up? little undoubtedly will be our #1 followed by massaqua, mitchell/norwood and maybe gordon could top both of them if he can buy some weed blocking anabolic enzyme (or whatever it's called).

that with TR and hopefully matured cameron @TE could spell probs for our opponents defense.

let's just get thru training camp without any major injuries.