Still something to consider, when Obama runs deeper and deeper into recession or even worse people may tend to want to stick with the party of free stuff.

Don't forget Roosevelt.

Can you imagine the Democrats ever being voted out when it's more like 80 percent of the population on the dole?

WSS

Our country is racing towards a financial cliff regardless of who is in office. We may fall off it in 3 months, it may be 3 years. Because persons are smart, and people are stupid, whichever party is in office (President) when we go sailing into the abyss is probably finished in American politics.

I'd prefer that party to be the one with the ability to cause the most damage to the country.

Romney just doesn't wow me, so I can't vote for him. Plus I don't think he's very honest. I don't like his health care plan, nor his fiscal one(s). Ron Paul has the correct answers to fix both of those problems (plus several others) but they probably just can't get implemented in our current system. Some of his policies are also in a bind of being "too late" which sucks.

Choosing an invalid choice, so that the seriosly dangerous to America choice wins.

Unless a group of folks are all Republican and/or Independent, the group has been infiltrated with idiots.

Paul "voters" need to choose. America....or disaster.

An Obamao "Present" is a damage, not a vote.

@legacy-fan said:

Yes.

+1

Then you may as well not vote.

@badnewsbrowns said:

I always thought he looked like Mr. Magoo

So how exactly is he an isolationist besides not being in favor of having military bases in foreign lands and occupying Islamic countries?

Afaik he is perfectly fine with dealing economically with other nations, and with us pulling our nose out of the rest of the worlds business could only help us politically.

Just because you are not the Earths Police Department,Bank,Hospital,Ambulance doesn't make you an isolationist. Of course then I guess that would limit our ability to control other Governments and their U.N votes.

I think when it comes down to it whether left of right all the political types can agree on one thing, Israel.

That's when we see who is full of shit and who isn't.

Pulling Israel off the American tit is the number one reason he'd never get elected.

Why is it not feasible to abolish the Fed?

Do you not think it needs to be abolished?

Our currency is backed by oil. What are our grandchildren,great grandchildren etc. going to do when all the oil is gone?

We need bases forward deployed. Japan, Germany and South Korea for instance. If we didn't have those bases, our influence would be severely limited.

@kosar_for_president said:

Sorry, at this point he has my vote.

Yes.

+1

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Ron Paul wants the USA to be isolationist which is old fashioned. Would never vote for him.

He never said that? Link. He said he doesn't want to be an imperialist.

That is why he doesn't have a chance - he's a crackpot. Give him up, he's nobody's real hero.

He's a crank, that says some good things in general terms.

Big deal? nope.

@westside-steve said:

Call it what you like.

Progress is not an inherently positive term.

Cirrhosis of the liver progresses so does cancer.

I just don't see the country moving toward more and more Liberty.

And of course he backpedals.

Here's an example for you to agree or disagree.

In a free society someone who owns a business or a property or provide a service should be allowed to decide for himself to whom he sells or provide that service, correct?

Even if you, I or anyone else found it offensive.

Do you think he should sugar coat that in public interviews?

WSS

Here is the problem - If one tells the truth as is (being brutally honest), the no bullshitters will like it but common men will be offended by the crudeness. If you sugar coat it to make it more presentable, the common men will perhaps like it but the no-bullshitters will sniff out the sugar and will be offended and call it as they see it. You just cannot win, that is the nature of the beast. One has to be the most eloquent speaker to be able to have the masses swaying to your words.

I thought Ghoulardi! lol

@badnewsbrowns said:

I always thought he looked like Mr. Magoo

So how exactly is he an isolationist besides not being in favor of having military bases in foreign lands and occupying Islamic countries?

Afaik he is perfectly fine with dealing economically with other nations, and with us pulling our nose out of the rest of the worlds business could only help us politically.

Just because you are not the Earths Police Department,Bank,Hospital,Ambulance doesn't make you an isolationist. Of course then I guess that would limit our ability to control other Governments and their U.N votes.

I think when it comes down to it whether left of right all the political types can agree on one thing, Israel.

That's when we see who is full of shit and who isn't.

Pulling Israel off the American tit is the number one reason he'd never get elected.

Why is it not feasible to abolish the Fed?

Do you not think it needs to be abolished?

Our currency is backed by oil. What are our grandchildren,great grandchildren etc. going to do when all the oil is gone?

Great post there.

The main reason Ron Paul, or any other 3rd Party candidate isn't even a threat to be President is the two party system. There is so much money in the R & D party, they control the whole political game. It's frightening in many ways, and yet, people pledge their allegiances to these nut jobs despite gridlock on Capitol Hill.

So how exactly is he an isolationist besides not being in favor of having military bases in foreign lands and occupying Islamic countries?

Afaik he is perfectly fine with dealing economically with other nations, and with us pulling our nose out of the rest of the worlds business could only help us politically.

Just because you are not the Earths Police Department,Bank,Hospital,Ambulance doesn't make you an isolationist. Of course then I guess that would limit our ability to control other Governments and their U.N votes.

I think when it comes down to it whether left of right all the political types can agree on one thing, Israel.

That's when we see who is full of shit and who isn't.

Pulling Israel off the American tit is the number one reason he'd never get elected.

Why is it not feasible to abolish the Fed?

Do you not think it needs to be abolished?

Our currency is backed by oil. What are our grandchildren,great grandchildren etc. going to do when all the oil is gone?

List three ways in which society has progressed in a negative way

go

I just wanna hear what you have to say

@brownindian said:

It is called progress Steve. People now have the option of choosing to live how they want without the govt/society telling them how they have to live and that is the way it should be. It is something that old timers will have a tough time adjusting to but that is the inevitability.

Call it what you like.

Progress is not an inherently positive term.

Cirrhosis of the liver progresses so does cancer.

I just don't see the country moving toward more and more Liberty.

And of course he backpedals.

Here's an example for you to agree or disagree.

In a free society someone who owns a business or a property or provide a service should be allowed to decide for himself to whom he sells or provide that service, correct?

Even if you, I or anyone else found it offensive.

Do you think he should sugar coat that in public interviews?

WSS

@brownindian said:

He doesnt back paddle. People cannot take the truth when it is laid out hard and cold. Everybody needs to hear that there is a politician who is a hero who will make all the problems go away. Unfortunately not only does that guy not exist but even if he existed such a solution is not possible. The truth is the govt and the people together need to make sacrifices if we want to get out of the debt situation.

So when PAul makes a cold statement (which sadly is true), the public cannot stand the truth and they think that he is the problem, not the debt and that by electing for someone else who promises them better things they are making the right choice.

Ron Paul wants the USA to be isolationist which is old fashioned. Would never vote for him.

@westside-steve said:

First and foremost he looks and sounds like the Purdue chicken guy.

Second is fiscal policies are unrealistic.

We are never going to abolish the fed nor adopt a fair tax plan.

We as a nation are too squeamish to admit that with freedom will come some people doing things we don't like.

He backpedals when confronted with those issues.

Isolation in today's world just isn't a realistic approach.

Finally even if he won members of both parties would do everything they could to get him out.

Freedom is a catch phrase, not a reality.

WSS

He doesnt back paddle. People cannot take the truth when it is laid out hard and cold. Everybody needs to hear that there is a politician who is a hero who will make all the problems go away. Unfortunately not only does that guy not exist but even if he existed such a solution is not possible. The truth is the govt and the people together need to make sacrifices if we want to get out of the debt situation.

So when PAul makes a cold statement (which sadly is true), the public cannot stand the truth and they think that he is the problem, not the debt and that by electing for someone else who promises them better things they are making the right choice.

@westside-steve said:

True enough hooker, but I think as a nation at our age we are heading away from libertarian ideas.

Not a particularly pleasant thought but inevitable I think.

WSS

It is called progress Steve. People now have the option of choosing to live how they want without the govt/society telling them how they have to live and that is the way it should be. It is something that old timers will have a tough time adjusting to but that is the inevitability.

@fairhooker11 said:

ah yes.... but when you talk reform, why not start big ? Ron Paul is merely the messenger.

True enough hooker, but I think as a nation at our age we are heading away from libertarian ideas.

Not a particularly pleasant thought but inevitable I think.

WSS

Second is fiscal policies are unrealistic.

We are never going to abolish the fed nor adopt a fair tax plan.

We as a nation are too squeamish to admit that with freedom will come some people doing things we don't like.

He backpedals when confronted with those issues.

Isolation in today's world just isn't a realistic approach.

Finally even if he won members of both parties would do everything they could to get him out.

Freedom is a catch phrase, not a reality.

WSS