@the-gipper said:

How about a great future rivalry: The Battle of the Redheads: Weeden vs. Dalton?

The "No Soul" Bowl

@browns149 said:

What about Greise vs. Bradshaw? Both superbowl winners and hall-of-famers

They met twice in the playoffs. Once in 1972's AFC title game where the Dolphins won, and again in 1978 where the Steelers won. But that is it.

Griese and Stabler met up a couple of times in 73 and 74. And Bradshaw and Bert Jones with the Colts had a couple of post season scuffles in '75/76.

Let's put it this way: with ESPN and sports talk radio and 24/7 coverage, those matchups may have been made up to be of epic proportions like Manning/Brady is today.

The Manning Brady matchup back in the 70s may not have been considered all that big a deal.

I mean, really, Bradshaw and Stabler had more epic battles than Brady and Manning have had.

Not to mention Layne/Graham and some of the others.

Formerly Sane said:

We are all well aware of that:)

I guarantee you that every single thing I tell you is a fact...ones that you can shove up your ass if you'd would like....because they are solid.

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

Fouts - Stabler

Marino - Fouts

Sipe - Brady

Elway - Kosar

Tittle 0 Johnny U

Do we have a winner?

Ghoolie, I do not see where Tittle and Johnny U met up any time in the post season....but they certainly probably butted heads during the regular season from 1960 to 1964 when YA was with the Giants and the Giants and Colts were in the same division perhaps.

When Johnny U was at the helm for the '58 and '59 seasons, Tittle was not with the Giants who they beat both years. It was Tobin Rote. Tittle played for the 49ers then.

Tittle did come up against Bart Starr a couple of times in the NFL title game in 1961 and 1962...losing both.

Formerly Sane said:

You're funny! Sipe and Rutigliano both stated publicly that every ball bounced the Browns way in 1980, "you", and probably many other Browns fans, "think" that happened to the Steelers. It simply isn't supported by fact.

It's kinda like you "thinking" that Modell was kicked out the NFL by the other owners

I don't disagree that the ball bounced right for the Browns that year.....but it wasn't all luck, it was a lot of fortitude.

They won that year the same way the Steelers won their last two Super Bowls: A. By getting the right calls by the refs on disputed plays, and B. Making last minute comebacks with clutch passes and good catches....and getting things like 100 yard fumble/interception returns.

The Browns in 80 got good breaks just like the Steelers did in those games. No difference.

As for Modell getting kicked out of the league: it happened. I will wager you $1000.00 on that being a fact. He was ordered to sell his franchise (by the Commish, if not specifically by the other owners).

Fact. Everyone, including Art Modell knows it. Its not like I created that fact out of thin air.

Formerly Sane said:

Sipe really can't be mentioned in any QB rivalry. His TD to INT ratio is nearly 1-1 and he only ever played in one playoff game and lost that. His biggest accomplishment came in a year where both he and his coach admit that every ball bounced the Browns way all year long. If it weren't for that 1980 season, he would not even be remembered by anyone but a Browns fan.

So, even a blind squirrel like you finds the occasional testicle to swallow. You are right....in terms of postseason matchups Sipe would not be on any list.

As for Sipe not being remembered by anyone else. I disagree. He played a long while, was good, and was popular.

Is he a HOFer? No.

(and wouldn't be so quick to criticise the success of someon who had the ball bouncing right....The Steelers and BR won their two SBs based on the ball bouncing just right for them).

Jim Everett - Joe Montana

The Rams had some decent teams in the late 80's but were never quite as good as the 49ers. Although they often managed to split division games, they would only meet once in postseason with San Fran winning 30-3.

Phil Simms - Joe Montana

Montana is 6-2 vs Simms in regular season play and they are 1-1 in postseason play. The Giants knocked San Fran out of the 90-91 playoffs but Hostetler was subbing for an injured Simms.

Definitely one of the better team rivalries;probably not your classic quarterback duel.

Jay Cutler - Philip Rivers

No big stakes or much history on this one but it's too bad Cutler was traded and their rivalry was so short lived. These guys hate each other.

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

Fouts - Stabler

Marino - Fouts

Sipe - Brady......I am curious how you got this one Ghoolie. Did you mean Bradshaw?

Elway - Kosar

Tittle 0 Johnny U

Do we have a winner?..I don't know, but the Unitas/Tittle one is very intriguing. I will have to delve into it more.

Formerly Sane said:

Good one! Most people don't even know who Dante Pastorini is. He Qb'd the second best team in the NFl for several years, the Oilers never got the recognition they deserved because they couldn't beat the Steelers to advance to the superbowl.

Yes. For at least two years in '78 and '79 if not several. Though, the Cowboys might argue about who was second best of that era.

Though it is pretty clear now who the second best is.....in the state of Texas. I would say the Texans rule Texas, if not the NFL.

As great as these 3 QBs were at the same time, the rivalry matchups between them is not as robust as you would think.

Here are the post season matchups between these 3 iconic QBs:

1990 Bills and Kelly over Dolphins and Marino 44-34 AFC Division game

1991 Bills and Kelly over Broncos and Elway 10-7 (hardly the score you would expect) AFC Title game

1992 Bills over Dolphins 29-10 AFC title game

1995 Bills over Dolphins and Marino 37-22 Wild card game

1998 Dolphins over Bills 24-17 Wild card game

1998 Broncos over Dolphins 38-3 Division round game

Thats it.

Kelly did matchup against Marino 4 times and went 3-1 against him.

Elway was 1-0 against Marino

Kelly was 1-0 against Elway

Total: Kelly 4-1 against the other two. Elway 1-1. Marino 1-4. (note: for a few years Kelly played in the USFL)

@kosarfan said:

Unitas vs Namath

That matchup barely happened...in postseason anyway. Only in the 1968 Super Bowl and Earl Morrall started that game, but Unitas came in in the second half. They may have met a time or two after the 1970 merger in regular season when the Colts joined the AFC.

Young/Aikman:

1992 NFC Title game Cowboys and Aikman win 30-20

1993 NFC Title game Cowboys win 38-21

1994 NFC title game 49ers win 38-28

Young/Favre:

1995 Division game Packers and Favre win 27-17

1996 Division game Packer and Favre win 35-14

1997 NFC title game Packers win 23-10

1998 Wild card game 49ers win 30-27

2003 AFC Title game Pats over Colts and Peyton 24-14

2004 Division game: Pats over Colts 20-3

2006 AFC Title game: Colts over Pats and Brady 38-34

2007 Super Bowl: Giants and Eli over Pats and Brady 17-14

2011 Super Bowl: Giants and Eli over Pats and Brady 21-17

As you can see the Mannings hold a 3-2 edge over Brady. In fact, Brady hasn't beaten a Manning in a post season game in 8 years, not since 2004.

Now, I know there have been various crucial regular season matchups between Brady and Peyton, but I only document post season here.

1972 Steelers won (Immaculate Reception game)

1973 Raiders won

1974 Steelers won

1975 Steelers won

1976 Raiders won

Five consecutive years for that matchup. At least 3 of those were AFC title games.

@browns149 said:

Couch vs Holcomb

Quinn vs. Anderson

Colt vs. Weeden

We are the hotbed of QB rivalries

That is not really the thing I am looking for. I know I mentioned Young vs. Montana and Waterfield vs. Van Brocklin...but those interteam QB rivalries matched guys who made the Hall of Fame, not crap rivalries.

Quinn vs. Anderson

Colt vs. Weeden

We are the hotbed of QB rivalries

Zombo said:

Some good inner-divisional ones:

Kenny Anderson v. Terry Bradshaw

Jim Hart v. Rodger Staubach

Warren Moon v. Boomer Esiason v. Bernie Kosar

Joe Theisman v. Ron Jaworski

John Brodie v. Roman Gabriel

Jim Plunkett v. Dan Fouts

Eli Manning v Tony Romo

Jim Kelly v Dan Marino (you mentioned)

Len Dawson v. Darryl Lamonica (you mentioned)

Zombo

Bradshaw vs. Pastorini..can Sipe be thrown in there too?

How about Flacco vs. BR? Is that a QB rivalry?

Kenny Anderson v. Terry Bradshaw

Jim Hart v. Rodger Staubach

Warren Moon v. Boomer Esiason v. Bernie Kosar

Joe Theisman v. Ron Jaworski

John Brodie v. Roman Gabriel

Jim Plunkett v. Dan Fouts

Eli Manning v Tony Romo

Jim Kelly v Dan Marino (you mentioned)

Len Dawson v. Darryl Lamonica (you mentioned)

Zombo

They played the Lions in 1952/1953/1954/1957