@king-ghoolie-lives said:

Proud of the way these guys are playing. Richardson, as I believed all along is a stud.

Shurmur's Marty style offense aside, this team is just a few kep player away from being competitive.

I think they have lost for so long they don't know how to win.

Proud may be a bit over the top, but I hear you on the effort...

On the other hand... Don't look now, but your "stud" is 16th rushing and averaging 3.7 ypc...

TR is a talent no doubt, but he's not a difference maker... not now... not on this team... and maybe not ever. That was my argument pre-draft, and if either of us have been vindicated, at this point it'd have to be me. Had we traded down the #4, we could have landed a couple more of the "few" you say we need... this year.

Define "competitive"... 8 - 8???

I'll close by agreeing that there is a learning curve associated with "winning"... but with our youth they'd have to be really fast learners to master losing so quickly...

@mddawg said:

That interception on 3rd and 1 was when we lost the game. How the coaches call that play when T-Rich had been running at will on the Giants really baffles me. Poor QB decision also, the play had obviously broken down, he should have either thrown it out of bounds or taken the sack as we were still in field goal range. Instead he throws the pick, Giants score on that possession, Cribbs fumbles the kickoff return leading to another 7 points. Ballgame essentially over at that point.

We're the worst team in the NFL now, every other "2012 bad team" has had a win against theoretically better opponents this season. Miami, Indy, Rams all did it this week except us.

Sad thing is- on further review, I really believe the Browns are not the worst team in the NFL talent wise. The guys are playing hard. However, it's soooooooooo f**king obvious Shurmer is far and away the "Mistake by the Lake".

ONE ballsy call going for it on fourth and short. However- where's the vertical passing game, when Weeden DOES have time to throw, and Gordon hauls in that 60 yarder. Huh?

We're the worst team in the NFL now, every other "2012 bad team" has had a win against theoretically better opponents this season. Miami, Indy, Rams all did it this week except us.

"But if a batter hit the ball back to me I was allowed to throw it to my first baseman..."

And #2...

"I thought my arm was strong enough to throw through defenders... it was in college..."

@tour2ma said:

After the last to defended passes by our CB's, I'm sure the Giants fans agree...

So we get ONE call our way. G-men have been holding our DEs all day long

@bob806 said:

Refs blow

After the last to defended passes by our CB's, I'm sure the Giants fans agree...

@dab7291993 said:

We never call plays that throw past the marker..ever.

Makes it hard to explain the opening 61 yd TD pass to Gordon...

Why no holding calls on NYG? Only us...

@tour2ma said:

DQ out.... C'mon Fort...

Patterson dinged... C'mon... ummmm... Put Haden in Pat's uni?

...or let Wade cover Cruz 1 on 1 ....

To Whomever started Cruz in Fantasy.... congratulations.

Patterson dinged... C'mon... ummmm... Put Haden in Pat's uni?

@hoorta said:

fire Shurmur now. IDIOT. Third and one, take Richardson out, INT. PUKE.

Worst play call of the season.

Cribbs needs to go.

I think it's called a "playactionpass"...

Nevermind...

@tour2ma said:

Oops... falling back overthrow INT...

That's not going to kill the Colt calls...

fire Shurmur now. IDIOT. Third and one, take Richardson out, INT. PUKE.