@baconhound said:

I am not the hugest Shurmur fan but yesterday is not on him. Weeden didn't play well and the Browns have the worst DBs in the league. You subtract Jackson from the mix and that's trouble. If Trent continues to drop passes you'll continue to see Obi on 3rd down...

+1

@usfbrown said:

You just proved my point. No one who is currently successful or left during a great legacy will come here and taint their name. It just won't happen. This place is a black hole for coaches.

Saban is living the good life and is not going to leave a thriving college program where he's king of the hill to come to the bottle of the barell and be under an enormous amount of stress to turn this thing around.

With the right Owner and front office, that could possibly change. Haslam is saying all the right things right now, and hopefully means it.

@the-gipper said:

That was under Lerner. Now Haslam is going to be owner. It all changes.

Besides, the "greatest" coaches in history were guys that were either in their first gig somewhere or in their second gig where they didn't succeed before.

Shula: started in Baltimore, ended up winning in Miami

Belichick: we know all about him. Cleveland a failure, then success in NE

Gruden: no dice in Oakland. Title winner in Tampa

Dungy: no dice in Tampa, title in Indy.

This is why I think a Nick Saban could very well be on Haslam's radar.

You just proved my point. No one who is currently successful or left during a great legacy will come here and taint their name. It just won't happen. This place is a black hole for coaches.

Saban is living the good life and is not going to leave a thriving college program where he's king of the hill to come to the bottle of the barell and be under an enormous amount of stress to turn this thing around.

@the-gipper said:

Yep. He sure did. People poo poo the fact that Switzer won a SB with Jimmy Johnson's talent...but I think you still have to give the guy credit. Lots of people have taken over "other people's talent" and have failed miserably.

It is like when people poo poo Gruden's winning a SB with Tony Dungy's talent.

My question is: Why couln't Dungy win with his own talent.

At least Switzer was good enough to continue to have the Cowboys play to their level. Many, many, many others would have failed to do that.

Agreed.. there is something to be said about winning with talent.

Dungy was over rated coach.. Most coaches are over rated.. You can't be a good or great NFL coach with out a great QB..

The guys i am most impressed with is the harbaugh brothers and Bill parcells.

@wrrebel said:

If i am not miss take the great Barry Switzer?

Yep. He sure did. People poo poo the fact that Switzer won a SB with Jimmy Johnson's talent...but I think you still have to give the guy credit. Lots of people have taken over "other people's talent" and have failed miserably.

It is like when people poo poo Gruden's winning a SB with Tony Dungy's talent.

My question is: Why couln't Dungy win with his own talent.

At least Switzer was good enough to continue to have the Cowboys play to their level. Many, many, many others would have failed to do that.

@the-gipper said:

I don't doubt any of what you say, but for me I think it is more the professional challenge that the NFL would/could/should bring to Saban.

Sure, OK, he may not want to abandon his hick lifestyle down there , and the control he has with a college program..but as far as I am concerned if that is what he chooses then he is choosing to just stagnate. On the other hand, yes, perhaps he can do what few others have done before: win a college national championship and an NFL title.

Besides Paul Brown and Jimmy Johnson has anyone else ever done that?

If i am not miss take the great Barry Switzer?

@ballpeen said:

Saban was our defensive coordinator and his uncle was Lou Saban, so he has NFL connections and understanding.

I will say this....as fans, we think the NFL is the best job.....but as a coach, IMO...a big time college program is better than a NFL job.

You have way more control. You pick the players and pretty much have them under your thumb for 3-4 years. The pay is very good, and most big time colleges are pretty places.

I know most of you are from and live in Ohio, and have never been close to Tuscaloosa, Alabama and pretty much think it a hick town from a hick state, but I can tell you.....you would change your mind if you ever went there and spent a few days there...it's a great little college town.

The culture might take a while, but soon enough you would be eating sausage gravy and biscuits for breakfast, with a side of grits over some bagel with a side of home fries.

I don't doubt any of what you say, but for me I think it is more the professional challenge that the NFL would/could/should bring to Saban.

Sure, OK, he may not want to abandon his hick lifestyle down there , and the control he has with a college program..but as far as I am concerned if that is what he chooses then he is choosing to just stagnate. On the other hand, yes, perhaps he can do what few others have done before: win a college national championship and an NFL title.

Besides Paul Brown and Jimmy Johnson has anyone else ever done that?

Our coaches have been horrible since we came back into the league.

The best was Mangini. I think if he had a good GM in place he could have been a good coach, 2nd would be Butch Davis. But non of these guys are THE guy..

that is who we need, someone who will be THE guy..Hopefully he is hot..

@baconhound said:

Gruden won with Dungy's team and Baltimore was good under Shula

Saban is a college guy and it is a different game in the NFL

Saban has been an assistant coach, a defensive coordinator and a head coach in the NFL. So he is clearly NOT just a "college guy".

@mark-o said:

Pretty much better than any season we've had since 1999....

He inherited one of the best offenses in football at the time and was supposed to be a defensive genius. The Browns since 1999 have stunk in every facet of the game, except for Dawson.

@ballpeen said:

Saban was our defensive coordinator and his uncle was Lou Saban, so he has NFL connections and understanding.

I will say this....as fans, we think the NFL is the best job.....but as a coach, IMO...a big time college program is better than a NFL job.

You have way more control. You pick the players and pretty much have them under your thumb for 3-4 years. The pay is very good, and most big time colleges are pretty places.

I actually completely agree. Being the BMOC as the head football coach of a top 10 program every year is about as good as it gets. That's the only reason why I think that a guy like Saban would say no to coming back to the NFL. He's already been there and it didn't work out all that well. Now he's the top dog of an amazing program that will be in the running for the national championship every year. What could be better?

I think if Gruden ever comes back to coaching, it will also be for a college job.

@baconhound said:

Oh and to match your sarcasm, how did Jimmy workout with the Dolphins?

Pretty much better than any season we've had since 1999....

@mark-o said:

So was Jimmy Johnson...how did that work out for everyone in Dallas?

Not saying it's impossible but recruiting in college is the name of the game, Saban isn't taking this years UTEP squad to a BCS game. Give him 5 years to recruit and they'd be good. Drafting and FA doesn't equate to recruiting. Also a kid who knows you may make or break his career might listen a bit more than a 5 year vet who earns more than you do and yields more power in the locker room. It could be done but it'd be tough...

Oh and to match your sarcasm, how did Jimmy workout with the Dolphins?

@baconhound said:

Gruden won with Dungy's team and Baltimore was good under Shula

Saban is a college guy and it is a different game in the NFL

Saban was our defensive coordinator and his uncle was Lou Saban, so he has NFL connections and understanding.

I will say this....as fans, we think the NFL is the best job.....but as a coach, IMO...a big time college program is better than a NFL job.

You have way more control. You pick the players and pretty much have them under your thumb for 3-4 years. The pay is very good, and most big time colleges are pretty places.

I know most of you are from and live in Ohio, and have never been close to Tuscaloosa, Alabama and pretty much think it a hick town from a hick state, but I can tell you.....you would change your mind if you ever went there and spent a few days there...it's a great little college town.

The culture might take a while, but soon enough you would be eating sausage gravy and biscuits for breakfast, with a side of grits over some bagel with a side of home fries.

@baconhound said:

Gruden won with Dungy's team and Baltimore was good under Shula

Saban is a college guy and it is a different game in the NFL

Saban was a damn good NFL Asst Coach & a decent HC in Miami with NO QB in his 2nd year....then to Alabama. Saban is solid.

I would be pleased with Gruden OR Saban.

Mike

@baconhound said:

Gruden won with Dungy's team and Baltimore was good under Shula

Saban is a college guy and it is a different game in the NFL

So was Jimmy Johnson...how did that work out for everyone in Dallas?

@the-gipper said:

That was under Lerner. Now Haslam is going to be owner. It all changes.

Besides, the "greatest" coaches in history were guys that were either in their first gig somewhere or in their second gig where they didn't succeed before.

Shula: started in Baltimore, ended up winning in Miami

Belichick: we know all about him. Cleveland a failure, then success in NE

Gruden: no dice in Oakland. Title winner in Tampa

Dungy: no dice in Tampa, title in Indy.

This is why I think a Nick Saban could very well be on Haslam's radar.

Gruden won with Dungy's team and Baltimore was good under Shula

Saban is a college guy and it is a different game in the NFL

@usfbrown said:

No way anyone with a decent career or legacy is gonna come here and coach. Cleveland is a blackhole for coaches and qbs. Why take a chance of tarnishing your reputation and come to this giant mess? I highly doubt we'll get anyone with success as a head coach that will come here.

That was under Lerner. Now Haslam is going to be owner. It all changes.

Besides, the "greatest" coaches in history were guys that were either in their first gig somewhere or in their second gig where they didn't succeed before.

Shula: started in Baltimore, ended up winning in Miami

Belichick: we know all about him. Cleveland a failure, then success in NE

Gruden: no dice in Oakland. Title winner in Tampa

Dungy: no dice in Tampa, title in Indy.

This is why I think a Nick Saban could very well be on Haslam's radar.

@ballpeen said:

Nice blurb from Lombardi.

As has been said. Shurmer is in way over his head. He won't be here next season.

Heck, he won't be here for the end of this season. The first big decision Haslam will have to make isn't if he is letting Shurmer go. That's a easy call. His big decision is weather he makes Jauron or Childress the interim coach.

It may very well be we already have our next head coach on the staff. If neither of those guys were coaching here, I would think both would be viable candidates.

That's why I would like to see Shurmer canned fairly early. I'd like to see whoever we give the nod have 6-7 games. I think we could see a turnaround of sorts as it is my opinion that coaching from the head position is hurting this team.

Ideally, our next coach is on the team. That way he knows the players, knows who can play and who can't. A new guy is going to want his guys.

As for the next coach, Haslam is going to want to make a splash. He is going to explore Cower behind the scenes and Cower is going to show no interest. My guess is Haslam is going to go all in for Nick Saban. Saban has Cleveland connections, having coached here in the past, and his SEC ties are going to lure Haslam.

I've been watching that dude on sports time ohio the last couple of nights and he's saying the same thing about Saban. It's an interesting thought. The guy has nothing left to prove in college. Jimmy Johnson is the only guy who has had success in both the NFL and in college, it would be an interesting legacy to create for himself if Saban could come here and turn this ship around.

Defense is predictable

There is a reason each of these coordinators FAILED as a HC on other teams. You do't like the play calling? Coordinators feed the HC the plays and he either uses them or asks for a different one.

Please do NOT let any current Browns coaches become HC.

Scrap the West Coast offense. No winning team uses it anymore. Packers and Philly have changed it so much they are no longer a true WC offenses. It's too limiting. The game has changed since the WC offenses hayday.

I am generally not for firing HCs during the regular season except under certain circumstances, i thought crennel and mangini should have been fired mid season 2 seasons in a row each and i think haslam should waste no time putting his house in order because the sooner he starts cleaning house the better off and more organized the browns will be next year for it..

Shurmur as a playcalling coach imo ranks amongst the worst i have ever seen and he needs to be replaced as soon as possible..

I really hope haslam cleans up randy lerners accumulated do nothing mess from the top down and starts anew immediately..