@bringbackbrownie2 said:

If you think Haslam is playing for the first draft pick, you don't know much about our new owner..

Right. Besides, there is no clear #1 player to be had like last year. (Andrew Luck). I am not even sure if there is a consensus on who the Top 5 may be. Plus, those in the Top 5 may not be at positions the Browns are looking for. They may be QBs or DTs. The Browns will probably need a DE, OLB, CB or FS. The best of those don't come into play until like picks 5-10, where the Browns may end up.

KC and Jax will go #1 and 2. And face it, the Browns are only 1 game behind in the standing to the likes of Dallas, Washington, Oakland....and they play them all near the end of this season.

The amount of miscommunication, sloppy play calling and confused looks tells it all.

@browns149 said:

and their coach is WAY WAY WAY better then ours

^+1. The Browns didn't lose because they were outplayed- they got outcoached. Shur-loss must go- the sooner, the better.

IMHO Haslam cant shake things up fast enough when it comes to removing any management at any level that was put in place by randy lerner and mike holmgren..

My point is that the Browns players take losing with a grain of salt and that is awful. You would never see Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant hugging everyone after getting beat on their home courts (and they play 82 games a season). There are winners and there are losers, and winners don't act like the Browns did after a home loss like that. Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Do you think that the Raven's would be smiling and hugging the Browns if we embarrassed them in their home stadium? I bet not.

@tampadawgs said:

Stop Bitching already!!!! For Christ sakes we got to see our vaunted Reverse again. We get to see it once a game. What more can you ask for!!!!!!

Weeden did suck today

TRich was beast today

defense was great, except for 3 drives, so happens those three drives won the game

facts are facts As much as I hate the Ravens they are better than us, not bye much but still better

QB Ravens

RB Even

WR Ravens

Oline Even

Special Teams Even

Defense front 7 Even

Defense Backs Even

They win because of Flaco is better than Weeden and there Wide outs our better than ours...

and their coach is WAY WAY WAY better then ours

Weeden did suck today

TRich was beast today

defense was great, except for 3 drives, so happens those three drives won the game

facts are facts As much as I hate the Ravens they are better than us, not bye much but still better

QB Ravens

RB Even

WR Ravens

Oline Even

Special Teams Even

Defense front 7 Even

Defense Backs Even

They win because of Flaco is better than Weeden and there Wide outs our better than ours...

@mike-h said:

Bring back Mangenius. He got done dirty by the Walrus.

I agree... biggest mistake this Browns team has made. Manginin would have us competing and looking like a pro tea,,, Walrus sucks for screwing that up!

@comeonman said:

We have six seconds to run a play for the end zone. We kick the field goal. We have the timeout if its incomplete. I've only been watching the nfl for about 20 years, but I thought that was enough time to take a shot, and shurmer played like a pussy. Someone please tell me I'm wrong so I can let it go

you are not wrong. Also against Indy he punts on 4th and 1 in Indy territory, and then goes for it on 4th and 2 in his OWN territory, basiclly giving the Ravens a free FG to put the game out of reach.

FIRE SHURMER NOW!!!!!!!!!

That's a lot to expect a rookie QB led team to overcome. Then, that rookie QB has to fall victim to the inept play calling & game management.

This Brown's Team has some nice talent, but they may be the WEAKEST, from a fundamental standpoint, in my memory. THAT is coaching. I don't care that these are Pro athletes, when fundamentals slip (or are non-existent as it often appears), loosing happens.

I'll give Weeden a pass. He's a rookie who was slightly dinged up & he'll make rookie mistakes...not good when Ed Reed is on the other side.

At this point, I feel the ONLY two things preventing total Fan apathy are 1) Our passionate new owner & 2) a good deal of talent simply waiting for REAL leadership.

Mike

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

If you think Haslam is playing for the first draft pick, you don't know much about our new owner..

Plus Romeo is gonna get that pick for KC

@brownindian said:

and miss our opportunity to get the #1 Draft pick? No way! There is a reason Haslam still has Shurmur coaching.

If you think Haslam is playing for the first draft pick, you don't know much about our new owner..

@browns149 said:

I second that motion. The guy OBVIOUSLY can't call the plays and be head coach. Just watching this team have no urgency to start the game, have too many communication problems, and calling screens and draws on 3rd and long............FIRE HIM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and miss our opportunity to get the #1 Draft pick? No way! There is a reason Haslam still has Shurmur coaching.

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

Exactly. Cut Shurmur loose tonight and let the interim coach have an extra week. I don't care who, just get rid of Shurmur.

I second that motion. The guy OBVIOUSLY can't call the plays and be head coach. Just watching this team have no urgency to start the game, have too many communication problems, and calling screens and draws on 3rd and long............FIRE HIM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

intro dump off to Smith on third and long

and shurmur!!

how many times are you going to run the 1 yard out to Alex Smith on 3rd an 10.. god i want to punch someone in the face

@clevelandbigdawg said:

Haslem had another reaction to Shurmers play-calling today. I think it was after we got called for the illegal formation TD play, and then ran a draw on 3rd and 11.

Not to mention they called a TO and then threw a screen on 3rd down.