Zombo said:

Frostee Rucker signed a five year $20.5 M deal before the season.

Mike Adams starts at strong safety for the Broncos.

Hope you get your Google fixed soon.

Zombo

Ah thank you Zombo. Your Witty quirks always make my day

@comeonman said:

Couple of questions if anyone knows. Did Rucker sign one year with us?. What happened to mike adams, cut injured retired FA?

Frostee Rucker signed a five year $20.5 M deal before the season.

Mike Adams starts at strong safety for the Broncos.

Hope you get your Google fixed soon.

Zombo

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

The list is longer than I expected but still serves the same purpose...its quite rare to get a big name FA who goes on to continue his success with another team. I'm not saying avoid the FA market, but don't think it's going to solve any problems for us.

I agree with you, I think you finalize a roster with FA not build with it..

@mdmusch said:

Yeah I agree that a lot of them will re-sign... I'm sticking with my plan I brought up in a different thread... Overpay for Greg Jennings on a 4-Year deal (really the only way he'd come here), grab Michael Huff (who most definitely will be cut with a four million dollar bonus, and grab a OT/OG guy, I think I went with Charlie Johnson from Minnesota.

Looking at this, I don't think San Francisco will pay Goldson what he wants, so there is a possibility that he will hit the market.

The only way to get a marquee free agent is to pay them more. If the Browns get Goldson and Jennings by overpaying and then grab a few guys to round out the roster, I'd be happy with that in addition to another quality draft.

These are some pretty interesting hypotheticals. Huff can play at both safety positions and is now playing cornerback. We could get him cheaper than Goldson who wants a kings ransom, but is probably worth it if he plays like he did last year again. The other position that I would like to see filled via free agency is receiver. Jennings would be a great addition, but it might be hard to get him here from a winner like the Packers. Regardless of who it is, I think that a receiver who runs routes consistently and fights for the ball would be helpful for Weeden and could set a good example for Little and Gordon. As for the other needs, I think it would be wisest to address them with the draft.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Name a free agent who moved to another team and made the Pro Bowl.

Carlos Rogers

Antoine Winfield

Justin Smith

Randy Moss

Drew Brees

Zombo said:

Looking at last years Pro Bowl rosters, I think these guys were mostly free agents, there may be some more:

Champ Bailey and Charles Woodsen

Drew Brees

Wes Welker

Brandon Marshall

Tony Gonzalez

Justin Smith

Zombo

Thank you, I didn't feel like looking it up.

Also, I like the Reggie White comment from whoever said it.

@browns149 said:

Bernie's teams had proven veteran LEADERS. Clay Matthews, Carl Harriston, Bob Golic, Ozzie Newsome, Cody Risien, Hanford Dixon.

Do you see (other then Joe Thomas and Phil Dawson) ANYONE on this years team that is a proven veteran leader? I do not. And don't say Cribbs. He is not a leader. Proven veteran yes, leader, not even close

Alex Mack and Aytahba Rubin and DQJ. Sheldon Brown should be but ain't good enough.

Ben Watson should be.

At least, these are the "Veteran" players on the Browns....and should be leaders. Are they. Some perhaps, to some extent.

@the-gipper said:

Well here is my view.....in another year this team WILL have "veterans" on its roster. Young veterans but veterans none the less. Haden and Ward will be in their 4th year. Jackson and Rubin will be time tested vets. Taylor will be in his third year along with Sheard. On offense you will JT/Mack time tested, Pinkston and Lauvao in their third and 4th year. Little in his third year. And all the rookies on the team this year will be in their second year.

Remember if you will that Bernie Kosar took the Browns to two AFC title games in just his second and third seasons.

So, if this team can bring in quality rookie talent at the FS/CB/OLB positions I think we can handle things. I mean, what if say a Jarvis Jones plays like a rookie Von Miller? I would take that.

Bernie's teams had proven veteran LEADERS. Clay Matthews, Carl Harriston, Bob Golic, Ozzie Newsome, Cody Risien, Hanford Dixon.

Do you see (other then Joe Thomas and Phil Dawson) ANYONE on this years team that is a proven veteran leader? I do not. And don't say Cribbs. He is not a leader. Proven veteran yes, leader, not even close

Homotron said:

All speculation on my part but most of the guys you mentioned likely aren't going to hit the market. I obviously added my portion to all the above players.

No, I understand that probably as high as half of them will stay with the current team. Nevertheless it is still worth speculating.

@browns149 said:

It all sounds good, but haven't we learned, a young, inexperienced team, like the one we have now, isn't going to win many games?

They keep saying "Build through the draft" Well when you have 27 rookies or 2nd year players, and VERY few veterans + an aweful coach = 3-13.

Let's get some veterans, a better coach and see what we can do. Rookies are fine until you have to rely on them to play a lot. Holmgren NEEDED all these young guys, to justify his 5 year plan. Now that he's leaving, lets get some experience and winners here. And the young guys can learn from them

Well here is my view.....in another year this team WILL have "veterans" on its roster. Young veterans but veterans none the less. Haden and Ward will be in their 4th year. Jackson and Rubin will be time tested vets. Taylor will be in his third year along with Sheard. On offense you will JT/Mack time tested, Pinkston and Lauvao in their third and 4th year. Little in his third year. And all the rookies on the team this year will be in their second year.

Remember if you will that Bernie Kosar took the Browns to two AFC title games in just his second and third seasons.

So, if this team can bring in quality rookie talent at the FS/CB/OLB positions I think we can handle things. I mean, what if say a Jarvis Jones plays like a rookie Von Miller? I would take that.

too bad he sucks.

Looking at this, I don't think San Francisco will pay Goldson what he wants, so there is a possibility that he will hit the market.

The only way to get a marquee free agent is to pay them more. If the Browns get Goldson and Jennings by overpaying and then grab a few guys to round out the roster, I'd be happy with that in addition to another quality draft.

@the-gipper said:

Here is a list of some Free Agents that may be available next year that could be picked up to plug some of the Browns holes:

Cornerbacks:

Brent Grimes ATL: Will resign

Tracy Porter DEN: Will likely resign

Sean Smith MIA: Will resign

Quentin Jammer SD: Over the hill

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie PHIL: Will resign

Derek Cox JAX: Will resign

Aqib Talib NE: Based on how he's playing, i see him getting a longer term deal. He's a head case but his talent has never been a question and bellicheat has a way with those players.

Safeties:

William Moore ATL: He may hit the market

Dashon Golsdon SF: Same as moore

LaRon Landry NYJ: You don't want him his play is no where what it used to be. He's a gym rat and that's about it.

Jarius Byrd BUFF: He's going to resign, vital to their operation

Louis Delmas DET: I expect him to also resign

Linebackers:

Shaun Phillips SD OLB: No idea

Anthony Spencer DAL OLB: Will resign

Connor Barwin HOU OLB: Will resign especially with Mario Williams gone. He and and Brooks anchor the outside now

Daryl Smith JAX OLB: No idea

Rey Maualaga CIN MLB: Resign

Defensive Ends:

Dwight Freeny IND: I'd be surprised if he doesn't resign for a home town discount type deal

Cliff Avril DET: No idea

Osi Umeniora NYG: Do you really want him?

Michael Johnson CIN: I expect him to resign

Glen Dorsey KC: High draft pick, can't exactly stay healthy and I don't see him helping

Offensive Guards:

Brandon Moore NYJ: No idea

WRs:

Mike Wallace PIT: I won't be shocked to see him stay in Pittsburgh but I also won't be shocked to see him go. He's going to cost where ever he ends up.

Dwayne Bowe KC: He'll resign

Wes Welker NE: Resign

Danny Amendola STL: resign

Kevin Ogletree DAL: no idea

Are any of these guys worth considering for the Browns future?

All speculation on my part but most of the guys you mentioned likely aren't going to hit the market. I obviously added my portion to all the above players.

S - Kenny Phillips, Jarius Byrd

CB - Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, Aqib Talib

@wrrebel said:

No i don't think we will. I am betting 7-9 next year but my prediction is tied to the coach they hire.

A young team with no veteran leadership and a college coach is NOT going to win 7 games.IMO

@browns149 said:

Great. and we will go 4-12 again.

No i don't think we will. I am betting 7-9 next year but my prediction is tied to the coach they hire.

@wrrebel said:

Well here is the key.. If the new owner goes the college route like chip kelly or someone with no NFL experience my quess is we will keep the young guys and not sign any veterans.

Great. and we will go 4-12 again.

@browns149 said:

It all sounds good, but haven't we learned, a young, inexperienced team, like the one we have now, isn't going to win many games?

They keep saying "Build through the draft" Well when you have 27 rookies or 2nd year players, and VERY few veterans + an aweful coach = 3-13.

Let's get some veterans, a better coach and see what we can do. Rookies are fine until you have to rely on them to play a lot. Holmgren NEEDED all these young guys, to justify his 5 year plan. Now that he's leaving, lets get some experience and winners here. And the young guys can learn from them

Well here is the key.. If the new owner goes the college route like chip kelly or someone with no NFL experience my quess is we will keep the young guys and not sign any veterans.