@thenew23 said:

Since this is a thread about a coaching wish list, I will give my top 5:

1) Chip Kelly - Oregon - His understanding of offense and playing uptempo could bring the kind of identity and attitude this team has lacked for a long time, plus it would be a good fit for Weeden. With so many young players, it might benefit us to utilize our youth and bring some excitement to Cleveland.

2) Pat Shurmur - status quo ... yes, I hate to say it but I am starting to think he's coming around, maybe, sort of, I don't know. We'll find out more this Sunday when we play KC. Really would love to see a convincing victory... ever

3) Bruce Arians - Colts - can't argue with what he has done in his career, especially this season where he has been the interim HC and has been calling plays.

4) Mike McCoy - Denver OC - Another great offensive coach. Understands the importance of running the football and has proven that he can adapt his system to his players instead of vice versa.

5) Toss up... Brian Kelly - Notre Dame, or David Shaw - Stanford - Neither seem to be likely, but this is a "Wishlist". Probably leaning toward Shaw as he has had success running a pro-style offense in college. Plus, look at what he did with Andrew Luck. On the other hand, it's hard to argue with Brian Kelly's history of success.

1. PLease No

2. PLease No

3. Why NOt

4. Really Like

5. NO, and Maybe

Whoever takes over should be offensive-minded and bring in their own OC, but should also consider keeping Jauron and most of his squad to keep running the D (much like Tomlin did with LeBeau).

1) Chip Kelly - Oregon - His understanding of offense and playing uptempo could bring the kind of identity and attitude this team has lacked for a long time, plus it would be a good fit for Weeden. With so many young players, it might benefit us to utilize our youth and bring some excitement to Cleveland.

2) Pat Shurmur - status quo ... yes, I hate to say it but I am starting to think he's coming around, maybe, sort of, I don't know. We'll find out more this Sunday when we play KC. Really would love to see a convincing victory... ever

3) Bruce Arians - Colts - can't argue with what he has done in his career, especially this season where he has been the interim HC and has been calling plays.

4) Mike McCoy - Denver OC - Another great offensive coach. Understands the importance of running the football and has proven that he can adapt his system to his players instead of vice versa.

5) Toss up... Brian Kelly - Notre Dame, or David Shaw - Stanford - Neither seem to be likely, but this is a "Wishlist". Probably leaning toward Shaw as he has had success running a pro-style offense in college. Plus, look at what he did with Andrew Luck. On the other hand, it's hard to argue with Brian Kelly's history of success.

Whoever takes over should be offensive-minded and bring in their own OC, but should also consider keeping Jauron and most of his squad to keep running the D (much like Tomlin did with LeBeau).

@mark-o said:

I don't even remember what it feels like as a fan to take a team for granted. How long has it been since we could truly expect the Browns to win a game in a given week? I always think we could win no matter how bad we've looked to theat point in the season, but I truly cant remember the last time I looked at a matchup and said, oh yeah...the Browns will win this week easiliy.

A day may come when Browns fans can take a win for granted, but:

@ballpeen said:

I will add that this game against the Chiefs is a big time trap game for us.

Shurmer might not be able to save his hide with a win, but he might skin himself if we go out there and lose in miserable fashion.

This is a must win game...make it 3 in a row...get the guys accustomed to stringing 3-4 wins together as that is the way you win in this league.

Agree completely. Despite the Chiefs having the worst record, they have played teams hard at times. They beat the Panthers and Cam Newton last week. They lost to the Broncos by only 17-9. They lost in OT to the Steelers 16-13. They lost to the Ravens by only 9-6. They beat the Saints 27-24.

The Browns by no means are a team that can take beating anyone for granted.

Shurmer might not be able to save his hide with a win, but he might skin himself if we go out there and lose in miserable fashion.

This is a must win game...make it 3 in a row...get the guys accustomed to stringing 3-4 wins together as that is the way you win in this league.

I think Heck has done a pretty decent job and while I have been critical of Shurmer, the team is progressing. A young team I might add.

It will be interesting too see or hear what the players feel. If they are buying in to the process and starting to feel the fire, change might not be our best option.

If we do make a change, the difference IMO is it won't be a blow up...we have enough good young players a new coach or GM isn't going to toss them aside. If they do, we'll know pretty quickly about the decision making ability of this new regime.

@roach said:

How would you have compared Belichick to those factors back in the late 90's (or now)? Let me help:

Enthusiasm- 0

Confidence (conveyed)- 2

Bravado- 0

Intestinal Fortitude- 9

Personality- 0

Plus he gave the fans the middle finger when it came to humiliating Kosar and Mack right before our eyes.

You're right. Those things are not necessary.

Well, a lot of that is why I conflicted over Shurmur. Yes, the NFL is now an instant gratification league/a what have you done lately league....but the fact is, some of the greatest coaches in history didn't start out very well.

Chuck Noll....two seasons of like 1 or two wins

Bill Walsh....the same

Tom Landry....first 5 years he had a losing record

Mike Shanahan...basically a failure in Oakland

Bill Belichick...we know that story, first a failure then a success

and others like that.

Of course, for every story like those above there are probably a dozen who failed at first and remained a failure.

@the-gipper said:

[iHe exudes no enthusiasm, no confidence, no bravado, no intestinal fortitude. Those may not be necessary, but he also seems as dull with his scheme as he is dull in his personality.[/i]

How would you have compared Belichick to those factors back in the late 90's (or now)? Let me help:

Enthusiasm- 0

Confidence (conveyed)- 2

Bravado- 0

Intestinal Fortitude- 9

Personality- 0

Plus he gave the fans the middle finger when it came to humiliating Kosar and Mack right before our eyes.

You're right. Those things are not necessary.

I'd love to get Gruden, but I don't think this is his #1 choice. Cowher would obviously be amazing to get. Chip Kelly no thanks.

Became an NFL head coach for the first time when hired by Arizona in January of 2007.

He came to the Cardinals with 10 years of experience as an NFL assistant coach and also played nine seasons in the league as a tight end/H-Back.

Before coming to AZ, Whisenhunt spent the previous six seasons with the Steelers. For the first three he was tight ends coach and then was offensive coordinator for three, helping the team earn a victory in Super Bowl XL.

Previously coached at the pro level with the Jets (2000), Browns (1999) and Ravens (1997-98); began his coaching career in the collegiate ranks with Vanderbilt (1995-96).

PER Arizona.com

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/11/cleveland_browns_owner_jimmy_h_5.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Q: What are your first impressions of your new team since you took over in mid-October?

A: (Haslam) I think we have better players and we're better coached (than last year). We're 3-8, but if you went back through the season, I could make a case where we could easily be 6-5. Dallas, Philly, Indy are all games I think we should've won. If we win those three games, we're 6-5 and in the hunt for the playoffs, right? We're very close. We weren't competitive against the Giants after jumping off to an early lead, but every other game we've been in in the fourth quarter. As you know, some of them have gone down to the last minute or two.

Sure hope I'm wrong, but I fear I'm not

.

@the-gipper said:

One of the main complaints about Shurmur is that he seems to NOT give clear guidance to his rookie QB; that he shows completely unimaginative play calling; and that he seems to constantly putting his offense...and his rookie QB into untenable situations.

He exudes no enthusiasm, no confidence, no bravado, no intestinal fortitude. Those may not be necessary, but he also seems as dull with his scheme as he is dull in his personality.

I think teams definitely take on the personality of their coach. Look at the 49ers or Saints (when Payton was there) or Ravens or even the Steelers. Look at the Chargers and Browns as perfect examples of this from a negative side as well. Look at the Jets...that team talks more than any other and so does their coach with nothing to back it up.

@miktoxic said:

i'll not say that i have killed shurmur for his coaching

BUT

what i did do is BITCH about how he got this job. if you wanted to see a browns team play hard and disciplined for a coach then you should have been around here 2 or 3 years ago when mangini was here.

shurmur is like weeden. you can't support a guy because he's a rookie and makes mistakes and say he'll be alright and then bitch about someone who basically is in the same exact position. this franchise needs to be 'locked down'. no movement (after holmgren leaves) whatsoever.

yes there is a glimmer of hope on both sides of the ball. a couple of adjustments FA and draft wise and is ee us being a powerhouse in this division for years to come.

keep everybody (except holmgren), let everyone get another year under their belt, with an OC calling the plays and (if that happens) i guarantee a 10 win season next year.

money.

One of the main complaints about Shurmur is that he seems to NOT give clear guidance to his rookie QB; that he shows completely unimaginative play calling; and that he seems to constantly putting his offense...and his rookie QB into untenable situations.

He exudes no enthusiasm, no confidence, no bravado, no intestinal fortitude. Those may not be necessary, but he also seems as dull with his scheme as he is dull in his personality.

@baconhound said:

I've been saying this all along. Keep Shurmur. Give the franchise some stability and see where the future leads. I laugh at how Shurmur gets blamed for everything and everyone else get's a pass. Weeden is a average QB at best. Every head coach in the NFL will tell you on passing plays there are three levels and based on protection and who gets open the QB makes his read and his throw. It isn't rocket science, John Gruden doesn't have a top secret playbook that will make Weeden into Peyton Manning.

i'll not say that i have killed shurmur for his coaching

BUT

what i did do is BITCH about how he got this job. if you wanted to see a browns team play hard and disciplined for a coach then you should have been around here 2 or 3 years ago when mangini was here.

shurmur is like weeden. you can't support a guy because he's a rookie and makes mistakes and say he'll be alright and then bitch about someone who basically is in the same exact position. this franchise needs to be 'locked down'. no movement (after holmgren leaves) whatsoever.

yes there is a glimmer of hope on both sides of the ball. a couple of adjustments FA and draft wise and is ee us being a powerhouse in this division for years to come.

keep everybody (except holmgren), let everyone get another year under their belt, with an OC calling the plays and (if that happens) i guarantee a 10 win season next year.

money.

@tampadawgs said:

UHHHHHH why are they playing hard, NEW OWNER PLAYING FOR A JOB. Shurmer Sucks

I've been harsh on unShurmer, as harsh as anyone. The team was scrapping even before the Haslam purchase if I recall it correctly.

I hate his offense, plain & simple.

@bk2072 said:

Two WRs wide left, single TE right. Offset I right. Wide Oline splits. Ran left.

Not a spread formation true, but certainly not a 2/3 TE Tight obvious running formation. Pittsburgh had 8 in the box but one of those 8 was so was out on the WRs so really only 7 in the box. Lead blocker sealed the run blitzing LB leaving only the S able to make the tackle. He missed. Free lineman was able to seal the backside LB.

It is pretty sad that someone like me can predict what play we're going to run based on the formation. If an idiot like me can do it, how hard do you think it is for defensive coaches who do nothing but study film 18 hours a day to do?

@richiswhere said:

How do you notice something that didn't happen?

Two WRs wide left, single TE right. Offset I right. Wide Oline splits. Ran left.

Not a spread formation true, but certainly not a 2/3 TE Tight obvious running formation. Pittsburgh had 8 in the box but one of those 8 was so was out on the WRs so really only 7 in the box. Lead blocker sealed the run blitzing LB leaving only the S able to make the tackle. He missed. Free lineman was able to seal the backside LB.

@bk2072 said:

We ran one time I noticed out of a spread (passing) formation, and Trich took it 15 yards for a TD.

How do you notice something that didn't happen?