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@hoorta said:

Are you saying that you think Weeden will still be the Browns QB in 2020? If he is, he will still be at least one season short of Otto Graham's tenure as starting Browns QB

@tour2ma said:

I

need

reading

glasses.

I said he should have been pulled out game one, just because he wasn't ready and you could tell it.

Didn't mean not to start him game two, he was just overwhelmed that first game . . . would have probably given us another win as well, but that's irrelevant now.

Did I say Weeden sucked?

No, Shurmur sucked, Weeden was Rookie.

Shurmur should have played Weeden game 4 Pre-Season last year for additional experience, but he didn't.

Hell, look at the cluster our sidelines were last year between time management, play calling, and just getting a play called.

I seriously have questions as to how well any QB could function playing in fire-drill mode all the time - I mean the guy had to feel like he was always in crisis rush just to get a play off.

The issues that concerned me with Weeden last year was locking on Receivers and missing (not seeing) open Receivers.

Some of these issues may still be there to some degree, we'll just have to see.

I'm not sure if he has it mentally yet or not, but so far this year I see definite improvement.

@tampadawgs said:

tamp, you really need to improve your understanding of "all"...

@emporerghoolie said:

To anyone who has followed the Browns, even nasty ass me, you can see something different from any year I can remember.

And the good Ghoulie makes an appearance. I agree with cal, good, thoughtful post...

I think that something is the FO/ staff. They arrived with more questions than answers and were not afraid of that circumstance. Now they are getting some answers... and they are still not afraid.

As for Wheezy... I don't doubt his arm... never have. The question is, "is it attached to a legitimate NFL QB?" While the jury is still out on that one, the odds of the answer being "Yes" did improve through the 2012 season and this pre-season has confirmed that improvement.

That said the hurdles he still has in front of him, i.e., reading defenses to facilitate audibles and going through his progressions, and influencing defenses by looking off Safeties and effectively play-faking, are not trivial hurdles.

While I do not doubt that this staff gives him a far better chance of clearing those hurdles than the prior regime did, clearing them is far from guaranteed.

@tour2ma said:

HA! (no cal is the king of that.....at least he doesn't spell the..... teh).

ANYWAYS i liked what i saw against detroit and yeah their defensive line is great but pretty much everyone was wide open except that glorious pass to gordon going down the sidelines. detroit's secondary is not that great, at all. PLUS weeden has got to STOP STARING DOWN THE RECEIVERS.

great improvement from what i saw last year though.

let's see how we do when play some better teams.

with your spacing

and random returns?

2012 15/29 180 yards 1 td QBR 47 avg

2013 18/25 229 yards 3 td QBR 133 avg

He's earned the starting spot, in my mind. He's showing a lot more pocket presence and line of scrimmage smarts.

He looks a lot more comfortable and he has to feel great about Turner's offensive schemes. There were some amazing throws

against the Lions especially the long gainer to J Gordon. Gordon made one helluva catch on that play too......reaching out with

one arm to control the ball for the completion. He makes it look easy. It looks like Weeds has some additional playmakers with Cameron

stepping up. Weeds has got to be feeling great about the direction the Browns are heading.

And nasty old Ghoolie just made a very honest post -

anybody can be bitter etc etc etc...

but the difference in how the Browns are playing on both sides of the

ball is really, really encouraging. Hell with the past.

The Browns and fans suffering over all the (*&^&^ years - that's in the past.

Sure, it's easy to vent that the new big pickup truck is stuck in the mud, if

it's stuck in the mud. But, it looks like the Browns are out of the rut they've

been in.

Even the biggest Browns critics and bitchers and moaners can see the Browns

are playing differently in a fine way now. But who wants to keep going over the past

and damning the pickup forever, because it USED to be in that big rut? (okay, for years @@)...

Even Ghoolie isn't that crotchety.

It's out now, according to preseason. the mud is all washed off the truck, everything is as good

as new, except for Browns' fans' patience. Throw out the whole past, and love the nice, clean pickup truck !

And if the steering wheel still isn't up to par, then you know you need a qb.

* I know, I'm just excited to see the real coaches and system and play of the Browns this year.....

This is the first year I'm seeing a very different attitude, and organized TEAM - and really, really can't wait

to see how the difference in the Browns plays out. If Weeden keeps right on going the way he's gone in the first two games, it's going to be a heck of a lot of fun to watch the Browns this year.

@browns149 said:

Browns149 was dead on right here.

Why is this even an issue?

@sisky-fringo said:

haha the Ghool is climbin on?!?! well welcome aboard...and don't fucking jinx us either rapscallion. do a dance or something...and whatever you do don't knock on any wood. shits bad luck.

im in the 1%. i think its at least 5% though, maybe 10-15% if you granted a pardoning mulligan on one or two. he had a pass from me with a wait and see until now based on rookie inexperience, outdated scheme w tools that lend themselves to a different system, and the potential of that sweet ass arm. he throws a prettier ball than any Brown i can ever remember...including Bernie, Vinnie, Otto...theres no denying the guy is a natural (thrower).

Weeden has a very nice ball.

Make your jokes now.

Honestly, he throws a pretty ball and has the arm strength to succeed in this league. It all comes down to his mental acuity. If he can recognize what the defenses are giving him and process the information quickly enough to make the necessary adjustments, he can be successful.

He's finally in a system that is suited for him and emphasizes his natural skills. Turner and Chudzinski have had a slew of Top-10 fantasy performing QB's, which means they put numbers on the board. Couple that with a Top-5 draft pick at RB, and an offensive line that features two early round picks as well as two solid starters and I believe we could have a very serious offensive threat this season,

Honestly, depending in the season we have, Norv and Horton could be gone by next season.

im in the 1%. i think its at least 5% though, maybe 10-15% if you granted a pardoning mulligan on one or two. he had a pass from me with a wait and see until now based on rookie inexperience, outdated scheme w tools that lend themselves to a different system, and the potential of that sweet ass arm. he throws a prettier ball than any Brown i can ever remember...including Bernie, Vinnie, Otto...theres no denying the guy is a natural (thrower).

Furthermore, that's barely anything and I'm sure you don't even do that.

Go play your polka and jerk off to what you used to be.

@miktoxic said:

Right- you didn't see me ragging on Brandon in this thread. And to keep it real, I changed the name of the thread. OK Weeds has looked good in the preseason, so did Colt McCoy, Charlie Frye, or Ben Gay for that matter. Better coaching and some off season work seemed to have helped- we'll see in 3 weeks, when the games count. And Tampa, if you want to dredge up the past- just remember that hindsight is always 20\20.

@miktoxic said:

because he has no other claim to fame except to point out other's mistakes (and NO they weren't mistakes, they were like you said normal fan chatter for the same team he supposedly roots for), or start a thread about how the browns should change their uniforms.

@erie-dawg said:

because he has no other claim to fame except to point out other's mistakes (and NO they weren't mistakes, they were like you said normal fan chatter for the same team he supposedly roots for), or start a thread about how the browns should change their uniforms.

@tampadawgs said:

all I am saying is dont be to faced...Hate Weeden now love him come on man!!!!!! You can look at every post I have ever put on here in support of Weeden. 99% of you can not say the same

but in all seriousness tampa what are you gaining by digging this up and pounding your chest?

we all root for the same team here if someone wants to be critical of a guy so be it. unless someone was being a total douchebag I really see no reason.

the post's that I read was just the normal fan perspective of BW3.

@tampadawgs said:

I've always supported Weeden, and will continue to until he is no longer a viable option at QB. Hopefully, that isn't for many years to come...

..

The Browns first units have executed plays, made some plays AND played better than their opponents, WHO, the last time I looked, were both NFL teams. While I have dismissed preseason with the adage of " nobody gets the Lombardi trophy in preseason", the fact of the matter is, preseason STILL counts in many, many ways.

Certainly, the guys who got injured cal ell you fist hand that the hitting and intensity IS real. Eh? As far as the bullshit of " look who they played", I submit to you that all ANY team can do is compete against the opponent put before them.

To anyone who has followed the Browns, even nasty ass me, you can see something different from any year I can remember. Some players are making plays and some of the plays are being executed quite nicely.

Nobody ever loses the Lombardi in preseason either, so lighten up.

Each team, coach and player has different objectives in preseason. It is a time to hone first units, weed out bad players, discover diamonds in the rough, and even make judgments on coaches and philosophies.

I can say this much, I watched the Browns this week during bowling. Other people, Memphians were making some positive comments when the Browns made plays So what does the preseason really mean? We fans don't have a fucking clue. There are so many variables, so many tests, trials and tribulations going on, it isn't a one-dimensional thing.

I know this much; watching the Browns so far I have felt some pride, and some hope. I have enough doubt in my own predictions that I think there is a possibility that I am going to have to pay that fucking knucklehead $100 on the over and under in total wins.

The preseason performance so far makes a lot of people think that this will be a fun year.

So for you naysayers, me included, be apprised you may eat cow, and Browns fans may have some nice things t crow about. I think that's what we have learned so far.