@tampadawgs said:

With one game remaining until the "end of the season" that was promised before any actions were taken, Pro Football Weekly reports that the Cleveland Browns will waste zero time when it comes to revamping their front office.

Joe Banner is cleaning house as soon as the season ends. He's not going to waste much time. He's been researching this thing for some time. They are going to move fast to get their guys.

Black Monday will undoubtedly cast clouds throughout the league and has been the case through many seasons within the last decade, the Browns will be a major player in the season-end game of musical chairs as head coach Pat Shumrur and general manager Tom Heckert are likely to be relieved of their collective duties.

Given that the writing has been on the wall for quite some time, as Shumur is staring at a combined record of 9-23 over the course of the last two seasons, the operative piece of the sourced quote is "their guys."

Many names have been rumored to be linked to the (presently) 5-10 Browns in one capacity or another, including New England's Josh McDaniels, Oregon's Chip Kelly and Alabama's Nick Saban. Who winds up being the next name on a laundry list of would-be leaders remains to be seen. What is known is that team owner Jimmy Haslam prides himself on continuity — whomever is brought in to be the next hopeful savior will be the man here for a long, long time. At least until he isn't.

No Saban and no McDaniels. They both have proven they can't coach in the NFl. I wouldn't mind Kelly though.

@hate said:

Bill OBrien did a heck of a job at Penn St this year. As for Chip Kelly, we would be looking for a QB again. I wouldn't want anyone on this roster running his offense, Mccoy sucks, Weeden isn't fast enough and "The Champ" well who knows about him.

For a bright young mind in the NFL. I think you have to look at guys like Mccoy in Denver, Jay Gruden in Cincy, Ray Horton in Arizona or Gus Bradley in Seattle.

Bradley would work wonders with this defense, I think they are going to go Offensive tho, Arians, Gruden, McCoy or Obrien

@hate said:

If you want swagger Chip Kelly is the way to go. But he has zero NFL experience. And he never gives up in a game, even if he is up by 50. He will keep trying to score

Good. Right now we have a guy that always gives up in a game. Even if he is up by one with three quarters left to go. He'll stop trying to score.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I'm tired of passive aggressive coaches and players. I want swagger, damn it.

I agree...but I don't know who of the other "young, bright minds" might also have some swagger to them.

@mark-o said:

report on espn.com this morning says that "the Browns are looking for a frest start". According to the article that rules out people like McDaniels. We are expected to make a "huge run" at Chip Kelley and Bill O'Brien, or search for a "bright, young NFL mind."

If that is all to be believed, that rules out McDaniels and probably also Gruden and Cowher (not that I thought either of them were really options.) It will be an interesting few days after we beat Pittspuke today.

Only a couple of years ago, McDaniels was the "bright, young NFL mind". It's amazing how that changes after a couple of shitty seasons in Denver and St. Louis.

I think McDaniels could be The Hoodie v.2.0, except offensively. He's very offensive minded and an innovator, yet he lacks people skills and wants to do things his own way. His first head coaching stint sucked major ass so he took a step back and I think he's ready to try it again.

I'm tired of passive aggressive coaches and players. I want swagger, damn it.

@hate said:

For a bright young mind in the NFL. I think you have to look at guys like Mccoy in Denver, Jay Gruden in Cincy, Ray Horton in Arizona or Gus Bradley in Seattle.

I would add Kyle Shanahan to that list as well. Haslam had to have been impressed by the game plan Washington put together and the adjustments they made to make Kirk Cousins look like Tom Brady with 4 days to prepare.

For a bright young mind in the NFL. I think you have to look at guys like Mccoy in Denver, Jay Gruden in Cincy, Ray Horton in Arizona or Gus Bradley in Seattle.

If that is all to be believed, that rules out McDaniels and probably also Gruden and Cowher (not that I thought either of them were really options.) It will be an interesting few days after we beat Pittspuke today.

Zombo said:

I see Andy Reid going to San Diego and taking Shurmur, Childress and Heckert with him.

Zombo

What role would Shurmur have? I think he is going to get a shot at OC again and he wouldn't get it over Childress.

Zombo said:

I see Andy Reid going to San Diego and taking Shurmur, Childress and Heckert with him.

Zombo

I hope you are right. Then I would likely be able to laugh at San Diego for many years to come. I enjoy laughing at Spanos.

Zombo

@jibz said:

Unfortunately for us Browns fans this cycle seems unbreakable!

We will forever be in clean house and rebuild mode!

i say we look in-state for a proven college coach: bgsu. ohio. toledo. their HCs at least got someting going on. in the positive.

@chicopee-john said:

Why hasn't Gruden's name come up as new coach of the Browns?

the guy is making millions of dollars behind the mike. just like every other fraud. stay in the cushy job, talk shit, look like you've been on a month long crack binge......but who gives a shit?

that tells you right there that the guy would rather be mister mysterious 'chucky' than put his rep on the line and come back and coach a team that might 'taint' his already questionable record. how's all his QB sit-downs doing? all these guys are gonna be all pros..blah blah blah.

fuck that POS.

We will forever be in clean house and rebuild mode!

IIRC, the new Browns owner is a big Tennessee booster and reportedly offered Gruden a piece of the Browns if he accepted the HC position at TN.

Why not bring him in to be the new coach?

My choice for a 'left field' selection.

@hoorta said:

Including Mike Adams, who wasn't good enough for the Browns.

Mike Adams has help in their secondary...he had none here then...

Zombo said:

Clearly, Banner will have a GM in place and the coach will not be overseeing the draft.

That said ... I'm seeing lots of names that are starters for the 12-3 Broncos.

Zombo

Including Mike Adams, who wasn't good enough for the Browns.

@the-gipper said:

Isn't that more or less exactly what Weeden played in at Oklahoma St.?

I hope he was being facetious. Travis Benjamin and Josh Gordon fit just fine in a vertical offense.

Art Modell hasn't had any influence on the Browns since 1995. HOwever, he DIDN'T win his first Superbowl UNTIL he got out of Cleveland. LIKEWISE, until Belichik got out of Cleveland, he didn't win a SB either. Now he has three.

Perhaps it is Cleveland fans, like you, not understanding football but yet chirping out about what teh fans want that has kept the Browns in the shit soup? If anything, Cleveland seems to be a bad omen.

Let's see, I've been a Browns fan since 1970 & have a good handle on what's been going on.

<The guy fired Paul Brown,>>

As he should have. Paul Brown was not the owner nor the Emporer of the Browns. When he went behind Art Modell's back and traded Bobby Mitchell to draft Jim Brown clone Ernie Davis. he stepped over the line and sealed his own fate. Whether you hate Art or not, the Browns were HIS football team. Without Modell, as you saw in 1995, there was no Cleveland Browns.

The team didn't belong to the city, as it does in Green Bay. The team never belonged to teh fans, as it does in Greenbay. The team belonged to Art Modell, and in ANY corporation or company, an employee (PB) no matter how brilliant or popular, simply doesn't go above the owner, without telling him, and make a huge decision, without getting fired.

Some historians, not being vocal because it is such a sensitive subject, believe that Davis was showing signs of being sick BEFORE Paul Brown went and unloaded Mitchell. Now, while it was nobody's fault that Davis got sick, at the end of the day teh trade turned out as disastrous for the Browns as did trading Warfield for Phipps.

So, if you hate Modell's management skills for the Warfield debacle, you can't respect Brown for the Mitchell-Davis debacle. Being that Davis was as big and a little faster than Brown, WTF was Paul Brown thinking anyway?

It would be like Adrian Petersen and Reggie Bush on the same team.

Paul Brown fucked up then. When you are in charge, you're going to fuck up eventually.

Incidentally, Modell didn't take Brown's firing lightly. It was Modell who convinced the NFL to award the Cinci franchise to Brown, and Modell made it financially possible for Brown to rejoin the NFL. Art Modell did a lot of wonderful things for a lot of people....yes, he did. Very charitable person, no argument there.

If you want to blame someone, blame Kosar for winning the coin flip in "The Drive" game and coming out to the chant of the Denver Playes " He;s playing not to lose, he's playing not to lose". Blame Bynar for fumbling. Blame Sipe for throwing a shit pass. BLame Rutigliano for not trusting Cockroft.

I blame Schottenheimer, always did. Fontenot on 3rd &2, when you have other weapons? Pulling Puzzouli out after he sacked Elway?

Fuck you man, Modell gave the Browns SEVERAL real opportunities to go to the SB. It's not his fault the fuckers you guys adore blew it for him. As I remember, I never saw Art Modell with a helmet on in any games at all.

Several being the key word. You think that theory flew over well in Pittsburgh, Dallas, Oakland, LA Rams, for instance? We were basically irrelevant from 1973-79, had a great 1980 season, then irrelevant until 1985-89. 1994 Bellichick finally puts it all together, and Modell announces a move, then cans Bellichick as soon as the moving van hits Baltimore..

<<and we've been well below .500 ever since. Hell, we haven't even hired an experienced NFL coach since 1963.>>

Neither have the Steelers. What's your point?

My point was Paul Brown was 158-48-8. Yes, it seems he didn't adapt to some things, mostly player relations in the 60s. You're right though, it's Art's team- however, Art could have given him a bit more rope, he fired him quickly (like Jerry Jones did to Tom Landry).

<<Let's hope Haslam gets it right. If any fan base "deserves" a winner, it's us. This season made me sick, with Shurmer playing so damn conservative, and perhaps blowing the 22nd pick. >>

We have wasted MANY picks. Couch, Joe Thomas, Quinn, Winslow,Green and the list goes on. ALl things considered, Weeden has contributed mroe than most of our draft picks.

<<The roster doesn't need a complete overhaul, we're missing speed on defense and an impact LB. Make LB a priority, and address the guards so we can run block. Get a high energy coach that can teach...sounds easy, we'll see.>>

And herein lies the problem. The Browns have no QB, no WRs, not LBs or DBs who can truly change a game. We have no pass rushers and no really thunderous short yardage back. Shurmer indeed blows, but so too does Heckert.

This teams needs a COMPLETE overhaul and I would be fine with them cutting or trading all but perhaps 5 players.

Joe Thomis is an ABSOLUTE MUST to be traded while we can still get something for him.

<<I'm sick of seeing many teams go from 4-12 to 10-6,>>

If you don't watch teams that went 4-12 teh previous year, you won't get sick.

<<We're long overdue.>>

For what? A blowjob? I am pretty sure that the NFL doesn't have any rules to help teams who feel they are "over due". I beleive until the owner can turn a deaf ear to the local Cleveland media and fans, the Browns will continue to suck BBC.

My opinion, two cents. That's what a forum is for.

I am willing to predict that not only will the Browns one day soon be the only team never to go to a SB, but they will occupy that lowly position for many years to come.

We will know very soon. If Heckert, Cribbs, McCoy and Joe Thomas are not cleared out, you can count on more losing.

<I believe we have the NFC North & AFC East next year, so it won't be easy.>

Unless we play Austintown Fitch High School, it is not going to be easy.

@hempman said:

Tebow was pushed on McDaniels by Urban Meyer, who was doing the work Florida/Tebow family wanted him to setup Tebow for life. This imo was the final straw for Meyer, he couldn't play that game anymore and he screwed over Josh McDaniels in the process.

This is where Josh was just to young. He let the influences of the "home team" influence his decisions and not for the better. Tebow was not a pro-form guy no matter how pretty his vertical ball was. As Belicheck said upon Josh's return, you control the ear, the ear do not control you.

Lordy though, we don't have a guy that would like to play in Josh's vertical spread offense..........nope, nobody on this roster..........

Isn't that more or less exactly what Weeden played in at Oklahoma St.?