@soju said:

So are you STILL pumped up--"YEAH BABY!!! "--that we beat the Jags and lost out on RG3? Did you enjoy your little coke high of a win? You crashed 20 minutes after the game and the feel good feeling wore off and the end result is we lost out on a franchise back that we haven't had for 20 years.

Like I said, people like you think like a child. Smart people always plan ahead. And F what you said about 1/2 of 1st rounders bust--maybe so, but I want the best ODDS as possible on my side.

Why don't you just put a big label on your forehead that says "LOSER"....because clearly that is your mind set.

@the-italian-dawgpound said:

We need a damned solid free agency!

I don't believe in drafts anymore.

Building through the draft is much cheaper. Plus, good free agents don't want to go to crappy teams. Just because the Browns have sucked at drafting in the past, does not mean building through the draft is wrong.

@the-gipper said:

1999 Tim Couch #1 overall

2000 Courtney Brown #1

2001 Gerard Warren #3

2002 William Green #16

2003 Jeff Faine #21

2004 Kellen Winslow #6

2005 Braylon Edwards #3

2006 Kameron Wimbley #13

2007 Joe Thomas #3

.... Brady Quinn #22

2008 no first rounder

2009 Alex Mack #21

2010 Joe Haden #7

2011 Phil Taylor #21

2012 Trent Richardson # 3

.... Brandon Weeden #22

There are 15 names on this list. Nearly half of these are bona fide busts....and it didn't matter where we got them from #1 to #22.

We need a damned solid free agency!

I don't believe in drafts anymore.

@mark-o said:

Not much because we would've ended up with Richardson anyways in that case. We would've needed to be 2 spot higher in order to draft RG III

Good point but I was just referring to the difference between drafting 3rd and 2nd in 2012 and making the obvious point that one spot can make a huge difference. That said, clearly no player is going to help lose a game intentionally so the team can draft a better player to replace them.

@lodilobo said:

Yeah....good idea....lose for a better draft position!...because we've been so f***ing successful in the draft with early picks...

Exactly. The Browns can screw up the 1st pick (Courtney Browns) or the 22nd pick (Brady Quinn)

Jim Irsey truly did suck for luck but most teams have more class than that..

The browns will play a tough and hard fought game in which they will try to win but will almost certainly lose with lewis starting..

@soju said:

idiots like the OP have a child's mentality of "live in the moment." Adults always think and plan ahead and make present-day sacrifices for the betterment of the future. Losing paves the way for a "possibly" greater future more so than a coke-high, feel good win would do for you on Sunday. What the hell would a win and feel good for a few hours do for you and the team. jack shit. Just like winning a couple meaningless games did jackshit for us to get RG3.

Yeah....good idea....lose for a better draft position!...because we've been so f***ing successful in the draft with early picks...

Zombo said:

We will have all new management. Franchises can turn around ... if they start drafting smart.

When is the last time the Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, etc drafted high?

They draft WELL.

That's what WINNERS do.

Winners don't lose so they can draft higher.

Zombo

lol, but we're about to get Lombardi'd. He said special teams would be one of his bigger concerns on 92.3. Surely we'll get the next Janikowski and Jamarcus with him at the helm.

@soju said:

We can't do that. The Browns management SUCK at choosing well.

We will have all new management. Franchises can turn around ... if they start drafting smart.

When is the last time the Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, etc drafted high?

They draft WELL.

That's what WINNERS do.

Winners don't lose so they can draft higher.

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

Idiots like the OP (me) KNOW their fucking history.....and KNOW that the Browns have done just as poorly with a high pick as a mid pick.

We KNOW that it is only a fucking loser that says "lose a game for draft position" because we KNOW that 50% of all first round draft picks can end up being a bust....be they #1 overall or much lower.

Like someone said, the point of playing is to win. If I am watching a Browns game, I want them to win.

If you don't want them to win....you are not a fan....but a fucking loser with a loser's mentality.

The same type of mentality that has had them losing so much for so long.

So, just win baby....and fuck the consequence.

So are you STILL pumped up--"YEAH BABY!!! "--that we beat the Jags and lost out on RG3? Did you enjoy your little coke high of a win? You crashed 20 minutes after the game and the feel good feeling wore off and the end result is we lost out on a franchise back that we haven't had for 20 years.

Like I said, people like you think like a child. Smart people always plan ahead. And F what you said about 1/2 of 1st rounders bust--maybe so, but I want the best ODDS as possible on my side.

Zombo said:

That's fucking Retarded.

We haven't swept the Steelers since 1988.

Draft well ... not high.

Zombo

We can't do that. The Browns management SUCK at choosing well. SO the next best thing is to draft HIGH--better chances at choosing a great player is higher up in the draft--less chance to screw it up.

@soju said:

idiots like the OP have a child's mentality of "live in the moment." Adults always think and plan ahead and make present-day sacrifices for the betterment of the future. Losing paves the way for a "possibly" greater future more so than a coke-high, feel good win would do for you on Sunday. What the hell would a win and feel good for a few hours do for you and the team. jack shit. Just like winning a couple meaningless games did jackshit for us to get RG3.

That's fucking Retarded.

We haven't swept the Steelers since 1988.

Draft well ... not high.

Zombo

@soju said:

idiots like the OP have a child's mentality of "live in the moment." Adults always think and plan ahead and make present-day sacrifices for the betterment of the future. Losing paves the way for a "possibly" greater future more so than a coke-high, feel good win would do for you on Sunday. What the hell would a win and feel good for a few hours do for you and the team. jack shit. Just like winning a couple meaningless games did jackshit for us to get RG3.

Idiots like the OP (me) KNOW their fucking history.....and KNOW that the Browns have done just as poorly with a high pick as a mid pick.

We KNOW that it is only a fucking loser that says "lose a game for draft position" because we KNOW that 50% of all first round draft picks can end up being a bust....be they #1 overall or much lower.

Like someone said, the point of playing is to win. If I am watching a Browns game, I want them to win.

If you don't want them to win....you are not a fan....but a fucking loser with a loser's mentality.

The same type of mentality that has had them losing so much for so long.

So, just win baby....and fuck the consequence.

Similarly, last year's #1 LB Kuechly [Panthers, 9] is leading them in tackles and is the reason a relatively no-name D is greatly improved [28/28/25 total/passing/rushing yards last year, 8/8/15 this year]. Chris Gamble has been injured since mid-october.

The Soldier said:

I would disagree.... just checking the draft sites, since 2000 they've drafted in the first 20 picks 5 times and hit on all of them. Burress, Troy P., Ben, Timmons, Pouncy

Not a Steeler expert, but more often than not, they hit when in the top half of the draft.

But still... the Browns shouldn't blow this chance to sweep them.

It all comes down to the whole "success breeds success" thing.

They can draft a player and have him get in where he fits, supported by veterans and not asked to do more than necessary.

The Browns however draft guys and immediately pressure them with being the "savior" and put the weight of the franchise on their shoulders.

The rich get richer and the poor have more children.... or draft picks.

The Colts however are pros at sucking for draft position. Every time there is some "sure thing" QB coming out somehow miraculously they end up with the #1 pick, Elway,Jeff George,Manning,Luck.

The Soldier said:

I would disagree.... just checking the draft sites, since 2000 they've drafted in the first 20 picks 5 times and hit on all of them. Burress, Troy P., Ben, Timmons, Pouncy

Not a Steeler expert, but more often than not, they hit when in the top half of the draft.

But still... the Browns shouldn't blow this chance to sweep them.

They generally draft well no matter where they fall in the first round. It doesn't matter if they are in the top 20 picks or not. So for that reason, I disagree with your statement.

@hish747 said:

Well, what would you all give to have been one spot higher in the 2012 draft?

Not much because we would've ended up with Richardson anyways in that case. We would've needed to be 2 spot higher in order to draft RG III

@the-gipper said:

Bullshit. They will not do any better if they draft higher as well. They have shown they can draft a quality player in the second part of the draft....so it doesn't make any difference if they get a higher draft pick. In fact, I think they have usually done worse the higher they get.

I would disagree.... just checking the draft sites, since 2000 they've drafted in the first 20 picks 5 times and hit on all of them. Burress, Troy P., Ben, Timmons, Pouncy

Not a Steeler expert, but more often than not, they hit when in the top half of the draft.

But still... the Browns shouldn't blow this chance to sweep them.