@thenew23 said:

Anyways, Weeden's ceiling could be anywhere from Eli Manning to Ryan Leaf. It's impossible to tell after one season, with young receivers and horrible playcalling. The OP didn't point out any positives like 1) he moves well within the pocket, 2) his arm strength is incredible, just needs to put more touch on short passes, 3) he's a student of the game and watches film religiously, 4) has guts...which I think Shurmur ruined half-way through the season, and 5) is a good leader, according to his teammates.

Carry the team... lol... too bad we did not draft a stud RB... oh wait... we did.

As for the analysis... no... gonna go with hoorta's below...

@hoorta said:

Yup, Weedster's got a slow release, minimal pocket presence, slow going through his progressions, not great at reading a defense, and like the baseball pitcher he was throws too many uncatchable high fastballs.

Good stuff, hoorta... just got his name wrong. It's "Wheezy".

Bottom line for me...

Wheezy improved in several areas (e.g., ball security, PAP) through the first half of the season, but then at best plateaued in the second half. I actually think he regressed in some areas. Maybe it was coaching; maybe it was his ceiling.

That said Colt way underwhelmed in his one 2012 opportunity. He looked more intent in trying to match Wheezy's arm strength than anything else... thus the number of turf burners. Saddened me that he was hurt for the final game. I would like to have seen where he was after a full week of 1st team prep.

And that that said I now know who Thad is... and he ain't our QB of the future.

As for 2013 Draft QB's... thin to be sure. An early Mock or two have us tabbing Landry Jones in round 3... meh.

One thing I think/ hope is that there will be an open, honest QB competition in the 2013 camp.

@ppe6.6 said:

Ha that quote by Browns149 was pretty silly. "I agree with the idea of NO qb would look good playing for Shurmer. I don't care who's playing QB, the system, playcalling, and utter predictability of Shurmer's crap offense would make Joe Montana look like Colt McCoy." Says no QB would look good playing for Shurmer, yet at the end of the post McCoy (who played for Shurmer...with no offseason to learn Shurmers TERRIBLE offense...and far less talent around him....and a far tougher schedule) was still bad? sigh....ha the hypocrisy is laughable.

You really went out of your way to apologize for Colt there.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

That was like 4 years ago.

It was indeed.

I guess I shouldn't mix beer and Thorazine.

WSS

@baconhound said:

Losing Gregg Williams was bigger than Peyton. They still scored they just couldn't stop anyone. The air in South Florida must be thin cause a chimp could coach that offense and that's what Peyton does, he left stopping teams to Williams.

The Saints defense has always given up lots of points - even under Williams. The big difference with Williams was creating turnovers each game by blitzing on like 90% of the plays. The problem is the blitzes can backfire and lead to easy points for the opposing team. However, 1 or 2 turnovers can lead to quick points with the Saints offense. So I still say that losing Payton was much worse..

@xanthros said:

Unfortunately I have to agree here. Maybe it's something in the air in Cleveland as I actually live in South Florida, but there are a lot of crybabies out there cryin over things that A) they have no control over anyways, and B)Just show how little they actually know about football.

Look at Drew Brees and the Saints this year...Do you mean to tell me that you think that them losing Sean Peyton for the year isn't the reason they were horrible? Every other year they were lights out until this year...same squad, same coaches minus him...

Too many HOF QB's had horrible rookie years for you to want to rinse, repeat Weeden so soon.

Losing Gregg Williams was bigger than Peyton. They still scored they just couldn't stop anyone. The air in South Florida must be thin cause a chimp could coach that offense and that's what Peyton does, he left stopping teams to Williams.

@badnewsbrowns said:

Weeden showed some glimpse early on in the season, but after that Ravens game and Banner being quoted as saying something along the lines of we aren't sold on Weeden, he went into the shitter.

In Weeden's defense I don't think Luck,RG3 or Wilson would have looked much better playing for us.

I agree with the idea of NO qb would look good playing for Shurmer. I don't care who's playing QB, the system, playcalling, and utter predictability of Shurmer's crap offense would make Joe Montana look like Colt McCoy.

@westside-steve said:

Try to keep in mind what RG3 and Andrew Luck were doing last year.

They were playing quarterback on successful football teams.

Weeden, on the other hand, was sitting around the Yankees dugout tossing playing cards into an upturned hat.

WSS

Weeden won the damn Fiesta Bowl against Stanford last year, wtf are you saying?

@westside-steve said:

Try to keep in mind what RG3 and Andrew Luck were doing last year.

They were playing quarterback on successful football teams.

Weeden, on the other hand, was sitting around the Yankees dugout tossing playing cards into an upturned hat.

WSS

Weeden was playing at Oklahoma State last year and beating Andrew Luck and Stanford in the bowl game.

@westside-steve said:

Try to keep in mind what RG3 and Andrew Luck were doing last year.

They were playing quarterback on successful football teams.

Weeden, on the other hand, was sitting around the Yankees dugout tossing playing cards into an upturned hat.

WSS

That was like 4 years ago.

In Weeden's defense I don't think Luck,RG3 or Wilson would have looked much better playing for us.

They were playing quarterback on successful football teams.

Weeden, on the other hand, was sitting around the Yankees dugout tossing playing cards into an upturned hat.

WSS

You're not smarter than anyone.

The fact that you acknowledged that we won 1 more game under Weeden is hilarious, as if that marks any improvement. Maybe in a few years we'll win 9. HOPE.

I hated the pick the second it happened, we took a guy who was older than QB's taken in 2005 and wasn't rated that much higher than Foles/Cousins as a prospect. We took a guy who played against Big 12 defenses in a quick read offense and didn't show elite tools outside of his arm strength. We tried to skip steps in developing a QB and it blew up in our face, and I'm a Retard because I'm mad we failed?(I'm fully expecting you to say "yeah you are a Retard.")I said from day 1 if he came out and played well I wouldn't have anything against him but instead I got put through my absolute worst season as a Browns fan and I should be patient on a guy who doesn't possess the ability that nearly every QB in the NFL has and is nearly 30?(I'm gonna keep saying because it's a lot more important than you think, it's not about talent leaving his body at 30 it's just there's not as much room for improvement as it's harder to change habits at that age.) The only QB he was truly better than this season was Mark Sanchez, and he's fucking terrible. We can cut our losses and move on and if Weeden goes on to have a great career we should be fine with it because he probably won't have one here.

You can keep talking down to me but it won't change my argument. We shouldn't ever say "But had he thrown for 45 TDs for some other team, we would have been kicking ourselves for "staying with Colt"". Because if he went to a team that he was a good fit on he would have done better but that's not how you make picks. That's like the exact same sentiment as "what if Grady Sizemore comes back healthy for another team and plays at an all-star level, we would be making a huge mistake." I have every right to be mad, and I will be upset until my team is good or shows that they're on some type of path to contention.

And you didn't have to say that, because that's the only way to justify having faith in Weeden at all. If you don't truly believe he can save our franchise then why even argue this strongly about it? If you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, thank you for this.

@rgiii-to-da-c-l-e said:

You're a troooooollll!!!

Really is that the best you got? The Browns have lost double digit games 12 of 14 seasons since they've return and you want to call me a troll for going against the decisions the established regimes have made?

Do you know how friggin stupid you sound? 11 months ago I told you dudes to do what it takes to draft RGIII and 1/2 of the board laughed it off only to be okay with trading 4 picks to move up to draft Richardson in the top 3 of an NFL Draft.

LMAOOOOOOO

You all are CLUELESS. Downright dumb as to what it takes to have a winner in this city. Leave your troll comments at the door... of my outhouse

You're probably one of those assholes who has had the "I voted for Al Gore" sticker on your Toyota Prius since 2000. In hindsight, you may have been right. Nevertheless, this doesn't make you the all-knowing, master of knowledge that you purport to be. Even though you claim "85%" of us are illiterate, the reality is that "85%" know 100% more about football than you do.

You went against the grain? Congrats. Ya want a cookie?

Live in the present. Bad decisions may have been made, but we need to see what will benefit us going forward. Living in the past is just stupid, and such people are the lowly pricks who bitch about the Browns without offering anything constructive to change it.

@dab7291993 said:

We want a superbowl more than anything else in this city and people actually want us to obtain Ryan fucking Mallet.

He threw for over 60 TDs and 19 INTs against the best conference in college football. And he's not 30, so you should love him.

On but he's not RG3 or Cam Newton and he's not very good in Madden so he's clearly not for you.

And how you can overlook Weeden's age as if it's nothing astounds me, dude is 30 and there are 22 year olds better than him right now, but THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY WE CAN UPGRADE? If Weeden were 22 it wouldn't be as bad, you know, like all those other QB's you listed that had bad rookie years.

I'm not overlooking it, but I'm not shitting over it like a big fucking pussy, either. I didn't realize that once a person turns 30, all of their talent goes out the window. Once again, if we get 8 years out of him then what does it matter?

This isn't about Colt fucking McCoy or any other QB I favor over Weeden, it's about the fact he's 30, has bad mechanics and hasn't even shown he has the head to be a QB in this league. The fact that you have faith in him as if he can be our Andrew Luck or our RG3 is stupid.

You show me where I said that. I'll wait.

Yeah and you'll never drop that "i'm right and you're stupid" attitude, lol. It's gonna get you far.

I am right and you are stupid. Why should I drop the attitude if its true? When you say something remotely intelligent, ill think about changing my mind.

I'm sorry I care more about the team winning than getting connected to players, you can say I was connected to Colt but I'll tell you what it really was. Grabbing Weeden made this team no better, we could've let Colt's contract run out and signed a FA or drafted a QB with Weeden's tools and 6-8 years younger. Which is a smart move for a football team.

Let me get this straight. Colt should have been given another year but Weeden doesn't deserve one?

The NFL is a bottom line business. Maintaining the status quo is a good way to lose a job. By not adding a QB in the draft, you don't raise the ceiling on the team. Nobody knew what Weeden was capable of doing in the NFL on April 28th, but we were all very aware of Colt's ceiling. It's easy to say now that "he made the team no better", but you or I had no clue what this season would bring on draft day.

Shurmur and co. were trying to save their jobs. It's was a high risk move that just didn't pay dividends. But had he thrown for 45 TDs for some other team, we would have been kicking ourselves for "staying with Colt".

By the way, he won one more game than Colt did last year, dumbass. So he did "make the team better".

@dab7291993 said:

We want a superbowl more than anything else in this city and people actually want us to obtain Ryan fucking Mallet.

so you know that weeden is better than mallet?

i would think that there is a reason that the fucking NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS who the browns, as an organization, aren't even a drop of sweat off their ball sacks have this guy as their number 2 QB.

but we have weeden, mccoy and thadeus lewis. hip hip hooray.

i'd trade all 3 right now for ryan mallet.

Really is that the best you got? The Browns have lost double digit games 12 of 14 seasons since they've return and you want to call me a troll for going against the decisions the established regimes have made?

Do you know how friggin stupid you sound? 11 months ago I told you dudes to do what it takes to draft RGIII and 1/2 of the board laughed it off only to be okay with trading 4 picks to move up to draft Richardson in the top 3 of an NFL Draft.

LMAOOOOOOO

You all are CLUELESS. Downright dumb as to what it takes to have a winner in this city. Leave your troll comments at the door... of my outhouse

And how you can overlook Weeden's age as if it's nothing astounds me, dude is 30 and there are 22 year olds better than him right now, but THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY WE CAN UPGRADE? If Weeden were 22 it wouldn't be as bad, you know, like all those other QB's you listed that had bad rookie years.

This isn't about Colt fucking McCoy or any other QB I favor over Weeden, it's about the fact he's 30, has bad mechanics and hasn't even shown he has the head to be a QB in this league. The fact that you have faith in him as if he can be our Andrew Luck or our RG3 is stupid.

Yeah and you'll never drop that "i'm right and you're stupid" attitude, lol. It's gonna get you far.

I'm sorry I care more about the team winning than getting connected to players, you can say I was connected to Colt but I'll tell you what it really was. Grabbing Weeden made this team no better, we could've let Colt's contract run out and signed a FA or drafted a QB with Weeden's tools and 6-8 years younger. Which is a smart move for a football team.

@rgiii-to-da-c-l-e said:

I'm telling you Weeden won't be the starter next year.

No coach going forward is going to have this guy manning his team. He'll throw 16-22 more picks next year.

He's a NFL back up. Not really that hard to see.

One thing not hard to see is that you're nothing but a dumb ass troll.

@rgiii-to-da-c-l-e said:

I don't have to explain to you in detail why Weeden isn't the guy going forward. Honestly, I shouldn't have to explain. But since 85% of this fanbase is completely illiterate to what it takes tp attain championship football, overwhelming pressure is there for me to to go from Point A-to-Point Z as to why Weeden is a back up and why Richardson is not worth a top 5 pick years before that stateoment becomes an outright bonafide fact.

Sheeesh, forget that, I'm done trying to explain the facts even though you all act like the facts are opinions around here just because you purposely chose to not see a situation for what it is based on ignorance and fanboyism.

That's not my concern. That would be turning this team around or at least giving you the blueprint as to how that happens. Don't penalize me for not being the Browns GM. My ideas are the silver lining to sustained success and championship caliber football in this town.

This is about the actual front office getting close enough to what I say to give you all want you most which is a winner, THAT IS THE QUESTION.

If you are SOOOOOOO smart, who will be starting next year?

@rgiii-to-da-c-l-e said:

I don't have to explain to you in detail why Weeden isn't the guy going forward. Honestly, I shouldn't have to explain. But since 85% of this fanbase is completely illiterate to what it takes tp attain championship football, overwhelming pressure is there for me to to go from Point A-to-Point Z as to why Weeden is a back up and why Richardson is not worth a top 5 pick years before that stateoment becomes an outright bonafide fact.

Sheeesh, forget that, I'm done trying to explain the facts even though you all act like the facts are opinions around here just because you purposely chose to not see a situation for what it is based on ignorance and fanboyism.

That's not my concern. That would be turning this team around or at least giving you the blueprint as to how that happens. Don't penalize me for not being the Browns GM. My ideas are the silver lining to sustained success and championship caliber football in this town.

This is about the actual front office getting close enough to what I say to give you all want you most which is a winner, THAT IS THE QUESTION.

While you're probably right, the question of what to do next year still remains. I'd say there's a 90% chance that Weeden is our starter next year, and I don't think that anyone's going to give up on that season already.

Sheeesh, forget that, I'm done trying to explain the facts even though you all act like the facts are opinions around here just because you purposely chose to not see a situation for what it is based on ignorance and fanboyism.

That's not my concern. That would be turning this team around or at least giving you the blueprint as to how that happens. Don't penalize me for not being the Browns GM. My ideas are the silver lining to sustained success and championship caliber football in this town.

This is about the actual front office getting close enough to what I say to give you all want you most which is a winner, THAT IS THE QUESTION.