@dtbh said:

Steeler fans take pride in the winning - that has nothing to do with them, in fact it just shows that they're frontrunners. Where was all the crap about away fans and Steeler "nation" when they were sucking balls in the 1980s? Ask yourself that question.

Browns fans take pride in being...Browns fans. It's totally different fanhood -- it's real.

Maybe someday you'll understand what it is.

What the Freak planet do you LIVE on dude ??? That BS You puke out is ONLY widely know in the Circles of the Cleveland Browns Fanbase....a Former Strong group of Loyal Intelligent Fans . Now Bitter crybabies. HOW FREAKING MNAY NFL announcers and former players have said On a Brodcast This year the Pittsburgh has the Best Fans in Football. Period. YOU are in Fan-freakin-tasia !!!

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NFL fan bases ranked, cheeseheads fill No. 2 spot

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Published Jan. 26, 2005 at 5:07 a.m.

Tags: nfl fans, green bay packers, favre, home games, lambeau field, road games, football

Have you ever sat down and started making notes on the various NFL fan bases and tried to rank them according to some sort of coherent criteria? I have. And it wasn't easy.

So here's my list of the best fan bases in the NFL. This is not just home attendance. Not just a national fan base that shows up at bars and road games. Not just knowledge or dedication. All of the above. And weighted. Only I can't even say how. There is no formula. This is purely my opinion. Read it, and get mad.

1. Pittsburgh: For some reason, I just never seem to meet an obnoxious Steelers fan. (I know, there's a guy in your office I need to meet first.) These guys know their current team, they know their history, and they keep it all in pretty good perspective. If I've got to choose one "fan base" to sit down and drink a beer with, the "Stillers" fans get the nod.

2. Green Bay: No doubt Packers fans are insanely dedicated. To sit in Lambeau through the most arctic temps in the league year after year, is amazing. However, something about the Favre-worship bothers me. Not to mention getting married at the stadium. Part of me says to those people: get a life, it is only football. The other part is just jealous.

3. Miami: Whenever I meet a Dolphins fan in another city, the thing that impresses me is that he always has a really good take on what the hell is going on with his team many miles away. Too bad all the bar stool Fish fans from around the country can't get their asses down to Miami every now and then, because the locals can't ever seem to sell out the stadium for an entire season.

4. Dallas: In the city itself, these guys and girls are shameless front runners. There were non-sellouts during the Campo and Gailey regimes -- unacceptable, no matter how bad those guys were. But the Cowboy diehards around the country that have loved the team since Staubach and yet NEVER lived there, are smart and up to date on stuff. Even though some will act like rooting for the team since Aikman qualifies as a long time. I hate to admit it, but the Cowboys truly are "America's Team."

5. Oakland: Flat out, the biggest bunch of jerk fans in the NFL. Not altogether very knowledgeable, rational or employable. They obviously take their cues from the Greaser In Charge, Al Davis. What did you expect? Commitment to Excellence is easily the most pretentious slogan in sports, and their fans quote it as if it were Holy Scripture. Sadly though, like ants at a picnic, Raider fans are everywhere.

6. Cleveland: The city is too damn small, and the franchise without nearly enough past glory to have as many national fans as they do, but few teams pack bars in faraway cities like they do.

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NFL's best fans? We gotta hand it to Steelers (barely)

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Steelers fansRick Stewart/Getty ImagesTerrible towels, diehard fans, smashmouth ball, three head coaches since '69 -- yup, it's a Burgh thing.

The only problem with ranking the NFL's 32 fan bases -- other than the sheer insanity of the exercise -- is that someone must finish last. But let's not focus on the Cardinals right now.

The idea to rank the 32 fan bases was hatched by our Committee on Rankings in Bristol, Conn. With the steadfast belief that everything in sports should be quantified on at least a twice-weekly basis, we were off and running.

A team of eight esteemed bloggers was asked to rank fans over the past five seasons using scientific criteria such as "Tailgate factor" and "How well do they travel?"

When all was said and done, the Pittsburgh Steelers and Green Bay Packers ended up tied for first. But much like the International Gymnastics Federation, we came up with an elaborate tiebreaking process in which Hall of Fame writer John Clayton of ESPN was called upon to keep things above board. Clayton, who grew up in the East Braddock section of Pittsburgh, picked the Steelers, which seems totally fair.

HOW WE RANKED YOU

Yes, there was a method to our madness in ranking NFL teams' fan bases. Five Bristol muckety-mucks sat in a room and hatched the genius idea of having our NFL division bloggers rate fan bases in their divisions over the past five seasons. Mike Sando (NFC West), Matt Mosley (NFC East), Pat Yasinskas (NFC South), Kevin Seifert (NFC North), Bill Williamson (AFC West), Tim Graham (AFC East), Paul Kuharsky (AFC South) and James Walker (AFC North) evaluated their teams in these categories:

• Stadium factor (St.): Loud? Great atmosphere?

• Live and die factor (LDF): Fans take loss hard? (That's a good thing.)

• Traveling road show factor (Travel): Big presence in other guys' stadium?

• Loyalty when team sucks (Loyal): You score points with us if you stick with a loser.

• Hate factor (Hate): Other teams' fans dislike your fans? (Hate is good in our book.)

• Tailgate factor (TG): Home tailgates sizzling or stale?

• Home fans' creativity (CF): Wacky ideas … or not?

A rating of 1 is great, 5 the worst.

After the bloggers' ratings were digested by our Bristol computer, we had several ties. Enter The Professor, John Clayton of ESPN.com. Clayton -- who has covered more NFL games over the past 10 years than almost anyone -- broke all ties.

Think our ranking stinks? Debate it here.

But even without John's gentle nudge, Steelers fans are deserving of the top honor. The decline of the steel industry in the 1970s coincided with the rise of the Steelers dynasty. At a time when the city's collective psyche was taking a major blow, the local football team offered a weekly respite.

A generation of young people left the city to find work elsewhere, but they remained passionate about their hometown team. And that's why your local stadiums are often invaded by a black-and-gold army.

"People save up all year and then plan their vacations around traveling to Steelers games," said native Pittsburgher Bill Hillgrove, a retired local TV icon and the team's radio play-by-play voice the past 15 seasons. "When you arrive at the team hotel, the fans are all waiting in the lobby."

The Steelers of the 1970s pretty much took over the Pro Football Hall of Fame -- a subject you might consider avoiding the next time you bump into Roger Staubach. But a great deal of credit for the Steelers' first-place finish should go to the late Myron Cope, who from his local radio pulpit gave fans a distinctive voice.

In 1995, a group of Steelers fans were roasting a pig in the Three Rivers Stadium parking lot before a game against Jacksonville and thought it would be funny to send the pig's head to Cope in the radio booth. According to Hillgrove, Cope spent much of the game referring to the pig on-air as Jaguars middle linebacker Keith Goganious.

Some come here to talk about the weeks game, some come here to ask about tailgates, and some want to start a thread to introduce themselves.

Requiring a mandatory watch period will cut down board membership, and I don't think a select group of inner circle members should more or less vote on the popularity of new members.

In my time here, crap flows two ways...I don't have a problem getting rid of the obvious trolls and troublemakers, but I don't think we should just start people out on less than equal footing.

JMO for what it's worth.

Let's just say that you will never be accused of 'thinking' out of the box but, on the other hand, you really know how to put a woman's mustach to good use!

I just get so excited thinking about our date, that fantastic limo ride - not quite sure what that flatulence smell you mentioned because I never caught wiff of it.

And when we danced to Jimmy Sturr's Polka Band, I felt that I was truly dancing among the stars. You hung the moon that night, Tommy, and that is not all that is hung.

Next time you are in town, please give me a call and we can 'wax' poetic about all the good times we shared. Since that night, I have not been able to look at a single man and, it appears, the same can be said about them and me.

God bless and keep practicing those 'ear breathing' exercises. Believe me they will come in handy once again.

Stacia.

@wpb-dawg-fan said:

They are the same individuals who cannot make a post without making some kind of personal attack..or in the case of the Steeler fans making a generalized comment about Browns fans.

I, and the other moderators, try to be fair with our deletions. We try to keep things civil and moving forward with a good discourse of information and opinion. You do NOT have to agree (as some seem to imply), but you at least should try to disagree without making personal attacks in EVERY post. Occasionally we all get a little aggressive, but some have show a propensity for it.

edit- I'll add I personally take a dim view of new threads "Our Team Great, your team Sucks"- Hoorta

Further, I have posted threads regarding edicate at the top of this board on several occasions...and for the most part gotten good responses to those. Yet, the second they are taken down we have the SAME individuals going amuck again.

I don't believe in banning personally. I feel it is the FINAL move when somebody just doesn't get it (or doesn't want to get it). However, recently we have had more SMACK than discourse...and it needs to stop. Plain and simple.

Keep in mind - THIS IS A BROWNS BOARD. It was created FOR BROWNS FANS to DISCUSS THE BROWNS. If you are BROWNS FAN and are discussing the BROWNS, your posts will be safe at all times. However, if you are NOT a Browns fan (or even if you are) and you are here to 'stir the pot' or just make irrelevant or obnoxious comments....likely your posts will be deleted.

So, back to the Browns. Enjoy the FREEDOM to discuss the BROWNS to your hearts content.

I'll just put in my .02 as a moderator- WPB put it far more eloquently than I could, 100% agreement. Some of the trolls don't get it- it's a moderated board, and as such, the moderators have the option of saying what goes, and what doesn't. FWIW, I've never altered the content of another post. I go all the way back to the days of USENET which was unmoderated, and unfilterable. Absolute freedom to do anything- and it devolved into an unreadable morass of anarchy. If the trolls don't like it here, they can start their own unmoderated board, and see just how long (I'm willing to bet not very) they're willing to put up with the BS that's sure to ensue.

Formerly Stone said:

Gal:

Apparently, the concept is difficult for you! Yes I can wear what I want and say what I want (even if I didn't own the company) and in a corporate environment the only recourse, if my boss didn't like what I did and said, would be to stop paying me.

This is a public forum not a place of employment......WTF girl? Did I tell you the 4th time I saw Boy George I snagged his panties?

Here is a perfect example of cruel and unusual treatment and altering of posts of a cool guy such as Stoner.

He originally said enjoyment and some asshat mod changed it to employment. Now Stoner is no longer with us.

It's a sad day indeed.

@jadbf said:

It all came about when we had to remove the same post or even thread multiple times, over and over again. Finally you just say F-it, and alter it to punch'em right back in their face by making a fool and example out of'em.

You watch, now we will get these clowns over here calling us 'Ban happy', forgetting that we tried every tactic known to man to do everything but ban them.

I had to laugh last night reading this thread when one of them wrote, "It got to the point (of being altered) that you didn't even want to even post again ..." Gee, a-duh!

Yes, we also reverted to baiting posts/threads. Again, I got a good laugh out of those that had about 160+ posts crying that they wouldn't post here if they weren't baited. RRrrriiiiiiggghhhttttttttt. Do you or anyone you know, fish in a pond that you can clearly see has no fish in it?

As a Mod, if you are going to spend 80% of your allotted time here wiping noses and changing diapers of someone's kids that don't even appreciate you or that you don't even like ... your likely to feed the kid some re-fried beans as a gift to the parents when they take their brat home.

Yeah, it was such a shame to just have some fun and edit these assholes posts ... shame on us volunteers and those that also foot the bill.

Formerly Stone said:

Someone didn't read Stan's post.

See, this is exactly the kind of bullshit that goes on here. Stone has put this post up at least three times and we removed it because it did not fit into this subject. He just kept putting up each time we removed it.

So, instead of playing along and just editing his post to something on-topic and humorous, we are just going to suspend his account ... and for the typical suspension it will be for about 14-days, but with Stone we set it accidentially for 180-days. Opps!

See you next fall Stone.

@jadbf said:

and...here's just a small suggestion....NEW Members should be "on watch" for a short grace period. Not only does this solve the "skirting" issue. But it also prevents trolls from other teams from coming in and imediately mucking things up with new threads.

I always felt there should be a grace period before you are allowed to start threads

Good idea.

Members who are 'On-Watch' that continue to put up a violating post, will be suspended for a specific period of time. Once allowed to return, they will return to the 'On-Watch' status until we feel they have earned to right to the General settings.

Members who create alternative screen names to skirt the suspension, will have more time put on their suspension along with an IP ban.

You can check if you are 'On-Watch' by looking at your 'GROUP' setting on the leftside of your post, near your post count. 'REGISTERED' is the normal default setting for all members.

We hope these elementary rules helps some of you conform, as our obvious attempts to combat past violators with humor apparently was too harsh for many to digest.

Formerly Stone said:

Gal:

Apparently, the concept is difficult for you! Yes I can wear what I want and say what I want (even if I didn't own the company) and in a corporate environment the only recourse, if my boss didn't like what I did and said, would be to stop paying me.

This is a public forum not a place of employment......WTF girl? Did I tell you the 4th time I saw Boy George I snagged his panties?

Do you need your diaper changed or something? whinny little puss.

@lemosley01 said:

Amazingly Chuck does seem to get it.

Maybe he is the mayor of Pissburgh? In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

this is funny.

Look at me! I'm big and bad! I promise!

@ghoolie said:

I am one handsome sumbitch, I will tell you that. The cool instrument you see is called a Lowe Bow, custome built for me by a Memphis Cat named John Lowe.

You play it with a glass slide (You can see it if you look away form my well-musckled thighs and check out the fourth finger on my left hand). The top three strings are tuned to open "D" for a blues slide/Delta sound, the BAss string is a low D to compliment the other strings.

Here is the cool part. The guitar string side has a seperate pick-up and input, so it goes to a guitar amp. The Bass string likewise has its own pickups and input, meaning you can send its output to a seperate bass amp and sub woofer.

What results is a thunderous sound that rocks like the wrath of God. HUGE tone.

Thanks for posting my picture and using my account.

Wow never seen one of those bows man!

Interesting instrument.. i play the electric guitar and bass as a hobby...

They are the same individuals who cannot make a post without making some kind of personal attack..or in the case of the Steeler fans making a generalized comment about Browns fans.

I, and the other moderators, try to be fair with our deletions. We try to keep things civil and moving forward with a good discourse of information and opinion. You do NOT have to agree (as some seem to imply), but you at least should try to disagree without making personal attacks in EVERY post. Occasionally we all get a little aggressive, but some have show a propensity for it.

Further, I have posted threads regarding edicate at the top of this board on several occasions...and for the most part gotten good responses to those. Yet, the second they are taken down we have the SAME individuals going amuck again.

I don't believe in banning personally. I feel it is the FINAL move when somebody just doesn't get it (or doesn't want to get it). However, recently we have had more SMACK than discourse...and it needs to stop. Plain and simple.

Keep in mind - THIS IS A BROWNS BOARD. It was created FOR BROWNS FANS to DISCUSS THE BROWNS. If you are BROWNS FAN and are discussing the BROWNS, your posts will be safe at all times. However, if you are NOT a Browns fan (or even if you are) and you are here to 'stir the pot' or just make irrelevant or obnoxious comments....likely your posts will be deleted.

So, back to the Browns. Enjoy the FREEDOM to discuss the BROWNS to your hearts content.

@riffer-x said:

Moderators,

Per PM request ... our ban quota is now down to three.

Formerly Stone said:

Owning a forum gives you the right to delete posts and ban members who fail to follow your rules as long as those rules are consistent with accepted practice within a "public" forum. I never saw a rule that said you weren't allowed to speak truth about the host or his favorite team. Stan is the biggest and most prolific offender of the rules which govern public forums and he is too stupid to even understand it......he, too, thinks that because he paid his $13 for a Browns message board he can do anything he wants.

Back to the freak show................The 8th time I saw Culture Club I got backstage. Needless to say it was a good time.

My last post on this thread................let's put it to bed

Pretty good insight Stone. And thanks for presenting rational thought and indeed that public or private does not give anyone the right to "publically" fraud other people. You understand and kudos to you for posting like an adult on this thread.

Now Stan made a false claim as usual that I say I am always right. Hell, nobody is always right. Me I just happen to correct way more than most. Call it wisdom or situational awareness. Not long a ago a few weeks, Stan reincited the Lewis was better than McGahee BS.........I defended with stats as to why that was not the case. That thread disintingrated into "ME' being full of crap. Well, I say after Sunday's performance anyone who thinks tap dance Lewis running on an empty tank is better than McGahee is well footbal deificicient or has severe myopia. That is just one of way more than a hundred where I took a position opposite the herd.

Being right all the time is impossible being man enough to acknowledge whom is correct way more than anyone else is class.........so far Ghoolie stands nearly alone in exhibiting true class.

BTW, Stones assessment is correct.............and that is just the way it is......

GO BROWNS ............ it takes a great man to love the Browns and Steelers for fifty years and be able to compartmentalize year by year and player by player among the "bandwagon fans" who are de true fans .....DUH.............

WE NEED A RB BAD.............LEWIS IS DONE!

Let's not waste time deleting or altering posts anymore. If you have to pull more than one violating post by ANY member of this site, let's just ban them. Send me a PM, if you need help in this new procedure of banning a member. No reason needed, just say the word and I will ban them.

I already banned one this morning after having to pull the same themed posts all last night and again already this morning. These guys obviously don't take the hint and the good-natured altering of their post that allowed them to continue to post here with merely a humorus and obvious play with their known violating posts.

Hope this is the black-n-white moderation, that most who had the light-hearted moderation enforced on them, will be more happy with.

If you had your post(s) altered or deleted in the past, you're welcome for the limp-wrist warning.

Moderators, we have a quota set to ban at least five accounts today, so let's get busy.

Stone is a blackbelt and has carried the torch of being top Steeler fan for years. Truly a bad mofo.