@ithika said:

No he doesnt, he's not nearly fast enough. He is however a prototypical NT in the 3-4 but we already have that in Rubin and we know hes good at it. Winn fits a DE in the 3-4 perfect and he played that positon at Boise. Mark my workds we're gonaa run a hybrid D. its done alot these days, Carolina runs it, Arizona runs it, Bmore runs it, Denver, NE, Jets. thats just the teams i can think of.

Panther's D sucks. That's the main reason why they haven't won more games.

@brownfish said:

I'm usually pretty negative...even my Mommas mashed potatoes can be lumpy at times...but i'm pretty excited about this hire, and the potential of getting EJ and Chud together...damn, this is going to be a great Year. I'm torn between letting Dawson go, but the Browns need stars of the past that kids can look up to...10 years from now i want to see Dawsons name hanging next to Grozas. He can kick for another 3-5 years...we have cap space. We need to pick up 2 great cover corners a couple of studs on D an awesome punter and EJ and hell we are stacked!!! ok, maybe one other key...a hall of fame fullback and we can say Dynasty!!!!

Browns 2015 Super Bowl!!!

I watched every FSU game this year, and if we get EJ Manuel we are screwed! He is terrible!! I'd prefer keeping who we have then get him.

@hoorta said:

I haven't watched that much Notre Dame football- and maybe it was just a horrible game, but Teo absolutely stunk in the National Championship game. It wasn't just missing tackles that concerned me, it was constantly being out of position on pass plays, and an inability to shed blocks. Frankly, 'Bamas center, Barret Jones who will also go first round destroyed him.

Seriously, I was asking myself- "How in the hell did this guy win the Butkus award?" Plus it looks like Teo is an ILB, and that's a lot lower on the Browns priority list.

That game was not indicative of Manti's ability it was probable the worst game ive ever watched him play and ive watched most. Granted some will say he faced the stiffest competition and in the biggest game of his career and didnt show up, but i think most draftniks still believe he is a very safe pick as being a great LB. How good is the question personally? I think he'll be compared with the Urlachers, Lewis's, but i am a homer. Is he worth taking as high as 6, i'm not sure about that, amybe you trade down a few spots and get him. What i do know is i want a safe pick for our first rounder, we can ill afford to miss on that one. Wether that be a sure fire interior linemen, shutdown corner, or a great LB i don't care as long as its a safe pick and the player contributes highly for years to come. I think drafting a pass rusher in the first round is a HUGE gamble this team cannot afford to take.

@daninnyc said:

I disagree. He is about the same size as Raven's DE Haloti Ngata, they both turn out similar 40 times, and from watching Phil, he is fairly athletic. Just my opinion though.

Haloti is a one of kind athlete that can play both technics much like Justin Smith in SF. Taylor is very talented but not at there level, both are sure fire HOFers.

@blitzz2 said:

Well Schefter is reporting that Chud is targeting Pagano out of SD as the DC. Also said something about running a hybrid D, showing multiple fronts. Don't know much about Pagano, but his D last year was ranked 24th?

24th? According to who?

San Diego's D finished ranked:

9th Total Yds/Gm allowed

18th Pass Yds/Gm allowed

6th Rush Yds/Gm allowed

16th Pts/Gm allowed

All categories better than the Browns last year.

@ithika said:

I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys!

I haven't watched that much Notre Dame football- and maybe it was just a horrible game, but Teo absolutely stunk in the National Championship game. It wasn't just missing tackles that concerned me, it was constantly being out of position on pass plays, and an inability to shed blocks. Frankly, 'Bamas center, Barret Jones who will also go first round destroyed him.

Seriously, I was asking myself- "How in the hell did this guy win the Butkus award?" Plus it looks like Teo is an ILB, and that's a lot lower on the Browns priority list.

@ithika said:

No he doesnt, he's not nearly fast enough. He is however a prototypical NT in the 3-4 but we already have that in Rubin and we know hes good at it. Winn fits a DE in the 3-4 perfect and he played that positon at Boise. Mark my workds we're gonaa run a hybrid D. its done alot these days, Carolina runs it, Arizona runs it, Bmore runs it, Denver, NE, Jets. thats just the teams i can think of.

I disagree. He is about the same size as Raven's DE Haloti Ngata, they both turn out similar 40 times, and from watching Phil, he is fairly athletic. Just my opinion though.

@ithika said:

I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys!

Right now, I think I personally would be inclined to go the route of Milliner if he were there.

Hell, with Chud...you never know, he may want to go offense, and get that big OG out of Alabama.

Wouldn't that make Ghoolie happy?

@harry-buffalo said:

Honestly I think Taylor has enough athleticism to plat DE in the 3-4.

No he doesnt, he's not nearly fast enough. He is however a prototypical NT in the 3-4 but we already have that in Rubin and we know hes good at it. Winn fits a DE in the 3-4 perfect and he played that positon at Boise. Mark my workds we're gonaa run a hybrid D. its done alot these days, Carolina runs it, Arizona runs it, Bmore runs it, Denver, NE, Jets. thats just the teams i can think of.

@the-gipper said:

Lets just say that it will be a hard choice for Chud/Lombardi/Banner/Haslam/whoever to make if Dee Milliner is still there along with one or two of the top rated pass rushers like Jones/Werner/Moore etc.

That is what these guys are paid to do: make a choice and get it right.

I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys!

@ithika said:

There is no way we switch to just a 3-4 defense! Most defenses in the nfl these days are a hybrid of both anyway. If we switched to just play the 3-4 than we'd have to trade Phil Taylor as he would have no where to play with Rubin already knowing the NT position under Mangini and we're not trading Taylor. Who ever comes in to run the defense will most likely utilize all fronts and the personnel we already have much as how Chud explained it in his presser. Relax! What we do know is that this defense will not be a bend and break Jauron D. We will see lots of blitzing and attacking as Chud stated.

Honestly I think Taylor has enough athleticism to plat DE in the 3-4.

@harry-buffalo said:

When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit.

There is no way we switch to just a 3-4 defense! Most defenses in the nfl these days are a hybrid of both anyway. If we switched to just play the 3-4 than we'd have to trade Phil Taylor as he would have no where to play with Rubin already knowing the NT position under Mangini and we're not trading Taylor. Who ever comes in to run the defense will most likely utilize all fronts and the personnel we already have much as how Chud explained it in his presser. Relax! What we do know is that this defense will not be a bend and break Jauron D. We will see lots of blitzing and attacking as Chud stated.

@harry-buffalo said:

I think it is a well known fact that it is easier to get by with less talent at DB if you have high pressuring pass rusher than to get coverage sacks with average rusher but great DBs. It doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if you can't get to the QB fast enough, a WR, TE, or RB will get open.

Lets just say that it will be a hard choice for Chud/Lombardi/Banner/Haslam/whoever to make if Dee Milliner is still there along with one or two of the top rated pass rushers like Jones/Werner/Moore etc.

That is what these guys are paid to do: make a choice and get it right.

@blitzz2 said:

Ok, i'll give you that. But if you have 2 corners that can shut down. That in turn will give the Dline and lb's more time to make the plays we have been lacking....What do they call them, coverage sacks. But again this is all dependent on if they switch to the 3-4 sigh again. I'm all for the trading down, but staying in the 10-16 range and ;maybe a 2nd round pick thrown in as well. Is there anyone that will be willing to trade into that spot and add the 2nd rd. pick?

GO After Cliff Avril in FA, I would like him and Sheard on the ends.

I think it is a well known fact that it is easier to get by with less talent at DB if you have high pressuring pass rusher than to get coverage sacks with average rusher but great DBs. It doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if you can't get to the QB fast enough, a WR, TE, or RB will get open.

@harry-buffalo said:

When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit.

Ok, i'll give you that. But if you have 2 corners that can shut down. That in turn will give the Dline and lb's more time to make the plays we have been lacking....What do they call them, coverage sacks. But again this is all dependent on if they switch to the 3-4 sigh again. I'm all for the trading down, but staying in the 10-16 range and ;maybe a 2nd round pick thrown in as well. Is there anyone that will be willing to trade into that spot and add the 2nd rd. pick?

GO After Cliff Avril in FA, I would like him and Sheard on the ends.

@blitzz2 said:

If the pick is D, and Millner is there, might as well pencil it in. 2 shut down corners make the D line and LB's that much better and effective.

When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Because it worked so well for Philly and the Jets.

Hmm, Revis went down, only shut down corner they had. Cromartie was never a shut down corner in SD,so they were fleeced when they picked him up. Laron landry had one of his best tackling seasons, but other than that a average S.

Their LB core is ok, but getting up there. average age of 30. David Harris is still pretty good.

D line, who they have?

Eagles, get what you pay for, well in this case maybe not. Funny how things work out.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Because it worked so well for Philly and the Jets.

I don't think two shut down corners are necessarily what we 'need'. Just having enough speed and smarts to make plays... Hell, Sheldon Brown even made some plays this year. I have a feeling we will go after some more DBs in later round but I wouldn't be surprised if they take 'the best available' at #6.

@blitzz2 said:

If the pick is D, and Millner is there, might as well pencil it in. 2 shut down corners make the D line and LB's that much better and effective.

Because it worked so well for Philly and the Jets.