Skeptical2013 said:

Objectively wrong.

Skeptical2013 said:

I'm sure! LOL!

I'm sure you're wrong.

Skeptical2013 said:

Slaughter was "off the books" as a prospect because of his injuries. So you don't know how he would have been rated had he been in the amongst the "usual suspects" As it is, he may be one of the Pros from Dover.

@the-gipper said:

McFadden certainly wasn't mentioned by anyone I watched or listened to before the draft and that includes the guys at ESPN and NFL Network and the Plain dealer. McFadden's slection doesn't bother me as much as Salughter, who is mediocre compared to Rambo.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I'm sure! LOL!

@unsympathetic said:

CBS Sports also had him rated higher than Poyer and Webb....the same as Ryan and Wreh-Wilson...all 3rd rounders. Mathieu was rated a round higher on talent. (of course I suspect they didn't account for off field issues.)

Skeptical2013 said:

Heckert would have probably traded down with the Rams. Selecting at #16 he would have taken Kenny Vaccaro, the S from Texas. In round two (with the Rams' second pick) , he would have taken a quality CB and then taken a TE in round three. That would have been just what the team needed!

Lombardi is an idiot for not trading with the Rams. Mingo wasn't worth sticking at #6.

I saw a report yesterday claiming that the Rams didn't, in fact, propose a trade with Cleveland. It claims that the Rams had actually locked up their trade the night before.

Skeptical2013 said:

What YOU think, or what some particular expert here or there might think is irrelevent. Lombardi and Banners are the opinions that count...and far as experts....they all disagree anyway.

But, I hope you are right about the UDFAs.

@poeticg said:

Heckert would have probably traded down with the Rams. Selecting at #16 he would have taken Kenny Vaccaro, the S from Texas. In round two (with the Rams' second pick) , he would have taken a quality CB and then taken a TE in round three. That would have been just what the team needed!

Lombardi is an idiot for not trading with the Rams. Mingo wasn't worth sticking at #6.

@the-gipper said:

I'm still perplexed why people are so high on Mingo -- I don't see it and I saw many of LSU's games, but I'll let the experts do the final judging. Also a bit perplexed why we took McFadden when several others corners were rated much higher by nearly everyone, but at least McFadden has a rep for being able to cover receivers. ( I'll never forget the confused look on Mel Kiper's face when the Browns took McFadden instead of Webb of Poser. ) I think the Slaughter pick was a big miss when Rambo was still there and we could have traded upjust afew places to get a better quality safety.

But I am intrigued by the 7th round picks and some of the FAs. I'm beginning to get a sneaking suspicion that this draft is going to be best known for the 7th rounders and UFAs more than the bigger name players. Browns may end up with the best OL in football in another year as Faulk and Gilkey could be big time players.

@poeticg said:

Impossible to know, really

Skeptical2013 said:

What he is missing is the fact that the hard work and effort leading into this draft was borne primarily by guys that were on Tom Heckert's scouting staff....and that Lombardi didn't give a shit what those guys did and wanted only to take a couple of guys he was high on....and defer a large part of this draft to next year when he and "his guys" are the ones doing the scouting and picking.

So....absolutely this shows that Lombardi did NOT know the talent in this draft....didn't want guys who he knew were going to be gone after the draft to have much input into this draft....and only wants success if it is His Guys, i.e. his scouts and the players they selects who are the ones that achieve that success. So...absolutely correct. Not only is there no sense of urgency....there is no desire for immediate success if the credit therefore could be attributed to his successor.

@canton-mike said:

Really chuckled at this submission from a fan about the Browns' draft to Bud Shaw's column in the PD.

"Let's see. It took five pretty high-priced people in the 'war room' -- plus many others doing research and evaluations -- to draft a total of five players: An underweight linebacker, an undersized corner, a safety coming off an Achilles tear, a guy who dealt drugs and a lineman with a history of an irregular heartbeat. Another year without a sense of urgency. ... What am I missing?" -- Gary, Wickliffe

Skeptical2013 said:

I agree. This kid seems very determined & has a mean streak.

Mike

@unsympathetic said:

I have a feeling this Gilkey kid is going to surprise us and challenge for a starting position at guard within the next two years.

@the-gipper said:

In my view, Matt Elam was the second best defensive secondary starter in the SEC last year. I have no doubt that Elam will be in the Pro Bowl at some point -- he sure impressed me as I saw all of Florida's games.

Many teams build from the outside-in, but championship teams are built inside-out every time.

Think about it: Jerry Rice, the best WR of all time, touched the ball... 5 times each game. He was drafted by a team who had easily won the super bowl the season before and finished #2 in scoring offense - but their leading receiver that year was Roger Craig. WR's do not change anything.. it's all about the OL/DL. Even the 49ers last year got into the WR-in-the-first act with AJ Jenkins, and he never saw the field. 5.3% of Lions plays this past year ended with Calvin Johnson catching a pass.. the best season by a WR in history.. and he had the same number of TD's as Gordon.

Bottom line: It is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous, to dish out megabucks to a guy who, in a great year, might touch the ball on just 5 percent of NFL snaps and do little to nothing 95 percent of the time.

Yes, a Browns player from the 2013 draft is an example of tremendously efficient value.

Skeptical2013 said:

Again, now an NFC guy...nothing to worry about.

As stated, more concerned about Shamarko Thomas and Matt Elam.

@cambridgeho said:

Blackmon led all rookie receivers in yards gained in 2012, but he got a lot of that in one monster game against Houston. Gordon was third in yards gained by a rookie receiver, behind Hilton of Indy. I am so glad the Browns passed on Blackmon, and probably Kendall Wright, who had only an OK year with 630 some yards gained, nearly 200 behind Gordon.

@the-gipper said:

Fair statement. Keep an eye on Rambo with the Redskins. Fun to discuss all this!

Here is another trouble maker I am glad we didnt get.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Baby steps. Baby steps.

@the-gipper said:

Well, you got your wish granted when they drafted Armonty Bryant. Apparently his history caused him to rate much lower than his talent suggests.

Happy now?

Yes, to a certain extent but he was rated fourth round the very highest.

I'd like to see us take a chance on a first round guy that's fallen to the second or third.