It's not possible to win a game if your D gives up a TD a possession.

Baltimore did whatever it wanted on NE after NE's defense lost 2 starters.. and NE's offense had one of their worst performances ever, especially in a playoff game, because of how Baltimore's defense played.

And SF's defense shut down Atlanta in the second half.

The Ravens last SB was a historical anomaly, but that doesn't mean defense isn't important.

@clebro said:

The 49ers and the 9 career start qb went to the stadium of Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Roddy White, Micheal Turner and Tony G. They left with a win.

The Ravens and Joe Flacco went to the stadium of Tom Brady and the higest scoring offense in the league (beat the 2nd highest scoring team by 76 total points). They left with a win. And if that's not good enough, last week they went to Denver and beat the 2nd highest scoring offense.

Bottom line:

Some times good offensive teams are off--yes, even in the playoffs. You need a balanced team to win the Super Bowl.

End Thread

The Ravens and Joe Flacco went to the stadium of Tom Brady and the higest scoring offense in the league (beat the 2nd highest scoring team by 76 total points). They left with a win. And if that's not good enough, last week they went to Denver and beat the 2nd highest scoring offense.

go hide your head in the sand rich4smeagle. chump. proven soooo wrong once again.

if i were you i'd just quit posting here and go jump off a bridge.

"McCoy has never looked like the long-term answer at quarterback from my vantage point of studying tape at NFL Films. He lacks power in his arm, willingness to make throws downs the field and ability to drive the ball into a tight pocket. He has the look of a backup quarterback who will play well in the right system for short stints, but have a hard time being the 'man.'"

so in recap Lombardi can see mediocrity but can't find talent

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

You're wasting your time. Facts and data aren't rich's strong suit. She's more of a "huff and puff and blow farts out of my pussy" kind of gal.

I know but it's funny. It's like arguing with a 2 year old. I'm still curious to see where this mythical 31 points is coming from too. I guess we'll never know...

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

You might want to check the facts instead of making them up as you go.

The average winning Super Bowl score is 29.95 points while the average losing score is 15.61. However, that's only part of the story. You have to look at how the winning and losing teams scored those points. Kick returns and pick sixes certainly do not go towards the offense. Your biggest flaw in this argument is how you attribute all scoring plays to the offense 100% without looking at the actual facts.

Fun fact of the day: Teams with a pick six are 11-0 in the Super Bowl(source: http://www.journalti...6b80dfd402.html).

Have a nice day.

I am applying winning to the formula. If defense wins championships why do they not show in the Super Bowl???????????? DUH ANSWER AS TO WHY THEY DO NOT SHOW UP! Meanwhile the winning team has averaged 31 points keep make more lame excuses why defense wins championships. NO excuses tell us why they give up 31.....stick turnovers where the sun don't shine, if defense wins they overcome...........31 points says defense wins squat

@erie-dawg said:

why mess with the dog pound? every team has some sort of identity take that away and we have?

would you rather have a cheese head?

We had an identity it was the Brownies the Elf and we won always...........and we threw him into the lake Erie and drowned him for the dumbass dog pound and 23 losing years after 34 winning years

Go think about the identity and think about which one works better

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

You might want to check the facts instead of making them up as you go.

The average winning Super Bowl score is 29.95 points while the average losing score is 15.61. However, that's only part of the story. You have to look at how the winning and losing teams scored those points. Kick returns and pick sixes certainly do not go towards the offense. Your biggest flaw in this argument is how you attribute all scoring plays to the offense 100% without looking at the actual facts.

Fun fact of the day: Teams with a pick six are 11-0 in the Super Bowl(source: http://www.journaltimes.com/html_5c506c39-ba66-521d-a45b-c36b80dfd402.html).

Have a nice day.

You're wasting your time. Facts and data aren't rich's strong suit. She's more of a "huff and puff and blow farts out of my pussy" kind of gal.

@rich4eagle said:

If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there

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You might want to check the facts instead of making them up as you go.

The average winning Super Bowl score is 29.95 points while the average losing score is 15.61. However, that's only part of the story. You have to look at how the winning and losing teams scored those points. Kick returns and pick sixes certainly do not go towards the offense. Your biggest flaw in this argument is how you attribute all scoring plays to the offense 100% without looking at the actual facts.

Fun fact of the day: Teams with a pick six are 11-0 in the Super Bowl(source: http://www.journaltimes.com/html_5c506c39-ba66-521d-a45b-c36b80dfd402.html).

Have a nice day.

I want gas prices from the 80s, and big fake titties from 2012....

Only Browns fans....

I guess Oakland should get rid of the black hole, or the Steelers and there yellow towels..........

Please wake up it 2013, not 1983 change is great, hell if was 1983 you could not be a moron on a Computer, or have your cell phone, or even watch the Browns.....

I really could care less if we have a dawgpound or not, but stick with one side or the other PLZ

@rich4eagle said:

The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound

why mess with the dog pound? every team has some sort of identity take that away and we have?

would you rather have a cheese head?

@runyon27 said:

Well I think the better question is not how many points the winning team averaged but how many points the losing team averaged? If its say 28 pts or something then you might have a valid point. I suspect its not. And if offense wins championships why wouldn't you want a good OL? That seems contradictory to ignore half the offense players.

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@rich4eagle said:

lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there

Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships

The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound

Well I think the better question is not how many points the winning team averaged but how many points the losing team averaged? If its say 28 pts or something then you might have a valid point. I suspect its not. And if offense wins championships why wouldn't you want a good OL? That seems contradictory to ignore half the offense players.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

The Dog Pound in Municipal Stadium was the "real" dog pound. The one in the soon to be First Energy Stadium doesn't even come close.

Yea, I mean, its named after an electric company. What are you gonna call it?

"The Big Bug Zapper"?

Zombo

@rich4eagle said:

lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there

Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships

The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound

Well, I DO think the whole Dawg Pound thing needs to be put to rest. All it really is now is a marketing ploy put forth by guys in the PR department who are too lazy to come up with something original.

....though I don't think the use of it has anything to do with winning or losing....unless it can be claimed that the same lame dawg pound crap is simply indicative of bad management at all levels...on and off field.

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

Ah this argument again. How many of those 31 points came off of turnovers or from a defense that forced the other team to punt deep in their own territory (great field position)? The vast majority of Super Bowl's include at least one pick six. It only takes a little bit of thought. I know you can do it..

lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there

Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships

The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound

@miktoxic said:

if that was the jist of your post that DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS then i agree with you. sure i'm man enough to admit when i am wrong. and I WAS WRONG. my apologies.

the thing is at whatever time it was in the morning that i posted i didn't take the time to even read your post. and without trying to sound lika an ass, i still haven't read it. just be more on point with thread titles. long posts with stats are like funerals....i don't do 'em.

i know that's a double standard because when i go on a 6 paragraph drunken rant, i expect people to read them. but i can't blame them if they don't.

maybe it's your small batman avatar or the uniform thing that puts me off about you.....but that doesn't make you or i a bad person. as long as you're a browns fan, you're alright in my book.

again. my apologies. btw i do have a little wireless networked laptop. but i also have 2 quad core mac g5s running more graphics, music and video software/hardware then you'll ever set your eyes on. -peace.

LOL the small batman Avatar is because I am not smart enough on a Computer to put a pic there, let alone I have tried a 1000 times to put pics or videos on here and still cannot figure it out. Plus I have not put anything about our Uniforms on here in a while, but I am sure I will at some point over the next 6 months or so......I just really think we need a upgrade, I understand the tradition thing, but those are called throwback jerseys....I do agree with everyone about the helmet keept the helmet is fine, but upgrades are needed.....This would be a perfect time, new owner, new coach, new prez, new name staduim name, new offense, youngest team in the NFL...This would be the ideal time....

@rich4eagle said:

you forgot a few simple facts,,,,,,,the average winning score of the Super Bowl is 31 points so where the heck was that vaunted defense that got thrashed? Further if defense wins where has it been the last many super bowls? Offense wins chhampionships always has and you forgot to mention the offense of winning teams in the bowl, Defense wins championships is a worn useless defunct statement since 1949

btw, to follow your not so bright assessment the last time a shutout came in the NFL championship was by an offensive powerhouse known for rubber band defense in 1964

Ah this argument again. How many of those 31 points came off of turnovers or from a defense that forced the other team to punt deep in their own territory (great field position)? The vast majority of Super Bowl's include at least one pick six. It only takes a little bit of thought. I know you can do it..

@diehardbrownsfan said:

You're daddy messed up when he forgot to pull out. Right mouth? What a stupid fuck you are, lmao.

yeah i forgot that all those times i defended you i was misled thinking you were a vet, instead you were a merchant marine. LMAO!!

i'm man enough to admit when i'm wrong. i'm not sure you're a man at all. just an old ass biddy.

see ya wrinkles!

btw. i love your sig quoting scripture. i'll guarantee you that you are the dumb motherfucker. you really think when you are laying is some ditch or even a grave (doubt it) with the worms eating through your 2" brain that saint peter or saint paul or saint billy bob (whoever the fuck your old hillbilly ass believes in), will be around to let you in the gates of your made up heaven, when you are a blasphemous fornicating foul-mouthed prune?

i love all you religious fucks that come on here and talk the biggest shit around spouting out FBomba and "your mother this" and "your mother that" and believe because you go to church for one hour on sunday you can act like a fucking demon the rest of the week and everything will be alright in the eyes of YOUR god. fucking lying fools.

and you can STILL go fuck yourself! HA!!!