@the-gipper said:

Curious. Again, my question is whether or not it will affect his HOF candidacy.

(Will Ray Lewis's be affected?)

Lewis is a first ballot HOF.

Harrison will wait a few years, for this and other factors, but will get in.

Zombo

Zombo said:

He did a little vigilante work, apparently:

http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/the-curious-case-of-marvin-harrison/

Zombo

Curious. Again, my question is whether or not it will affect his HOF candidacy.

(Will Ray Lewis's be affected?)

@the-gipper said:

Didn't Harrison also have some off field issues after he retired....like a domestic violence charge or something? That could affect the voting.

He did a little vigilante work, apparently:

http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/the-curious-case-of-marvin-harrison/

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

Didn't Harrison also have some off field issues after he retired....like a domestic violence charge or something? That could affect the voting.

I think he was a suspect in a murder.

Zombo said:

Yea, I meant Shields. Haley I could see too.

Marv Harrison will get in eventually, but there is a perception about him being one-dimensional and benefiting from Peyton, so he might wait a year or two while they get the other tow receivers that have been waiting get in.

Zombo

Didn't Harrison also have some off field issues after he retired....like a domestic violence charge or something? That could affect the voting.

@the-gipper said:

Uhm, Larry Allen got in this year. Maybe you meant Will Shields.

I CAN see Marvin Harrison getting in. His creds are probably better than either Brown or Reed.

But I say next year top candidates are Bettis/Strahan/Harrison/Shields/Haley.

And they ARE going to bring back up the name of Paul Tagliabue.

And hey: what about Marty Schottenheimer? Only coach wit 200 career wins not in the HOF.

Yea, I meant Shields. Haley I could see too.

Marv Harrison will get in eventually, but there is a perception about him being one-dimensional and benefiting from Peyton, so he might wait a year or two while they get the other tow receivers that have been waiting get in.

Zombo

Zombo said:

Ya, none of those guys next year are first ballot worthy, so I think Reed and Brown finally get in, along with Bettis and Strahan and Larry Allen. That would be my five.

Zombo

Uhm, Larry Allen got in this year. Maybe you meant Will Shields.

I CAN see Marvin Harrison getting in. His creds are probably better than either Brown or Reed.

But I say next year top candidates are Bettis/Strahan/Harrison/Shields/Haley.

And they ARE going to bring back up the name of Paul Tagliabue.

And hey: what about Marty Schottenheimer? Only coach wit 200 career wins not in the HOF.

@the-gipper said:

Next year may be a good year for some of those who have been waiting to make it into the HOF.

The list of first time eligibles for next year are highlighted by the following people:

Tony Dungy

Marvin Harrison

Daunte Culpepper

Warrick Dunn

Shawn Alexander

Muhsin Muhammed

As far as I am concerned Harrison is the only one of those that is HOF worthy.

Thus it may be the year for the likes of Strahan, Haley, Bettis, Tim Brown, Andre Reed etc., guys that haven't gotten in.

These guys need to make hay next year because the following year will include first time eligibles Isaac Brucee, Edgerrin James, Walter Jones, Ty Law, Kevin Mawae, Orlando Pace, Junior Seau, Kurt Warner, Jamal Lewis, Rod Smith, Darren Sharpe....a few heavyweight candidates.

Ya, none of those guys next year are first ballot worthy, so I think Reed and Brown finally get in, along with Bettis and Strahan and Larry Allen. That would be my five.

Zombo

The list of first time eligibles for next year are highlighted by the following people:

Tony Dungy

Marvin Harrison

Daunte Culpepper

Warrick Dunn

Shawn Alexander

Muhsin Muhammed

As far as I am concerned Harrison is the only one of those that is HOF worthy.

Thus it may be the year for the likes of Strahan, Haley, Bettis, Tim Brown, Andre Reed etc., guys that haven't gotten in.

These guys need to make hay next year because the following year will include first time eligibles Isaac Brucee, Edgerrin James, Walter Jones, Ty Law, Kevin Mawae, Orlando Pace, Junior Seau, Kurt Warner, Jamal Lewis, Rod Smith, Darren Sharpe....a few heavyweight candidates.

Intstead of Haley we got Sapp....OK

@stashtastic said:

You're right. O.J.'s in, so why not have another murder?

I didn't go that far. Lewis was not convicted of murder. I don't think he murdered anyone. HOWEVER, I think his shut mouth and "help" kept two murderers out of prison.

@stashtastic said:

You're right. O.J.'s in, so why not have another murder?

OJ was in way before he killed his wife and her friend

@ravens-purple-rules said:

Ray Lewis will be first ballot. But, I agree, him waiting a couple of years wouldn't break my heart. All that glitters is not gold. I love his play for the Ravens, but thats not him in his entirety.

You're right. O.J.'s in, so why not have another murder?

@hoorta said:

I hate you Ratbirds, but Ogden was very worthy. I just hope the Little Criminal has to cool his heels for a few years like Chris Carter did before he get in.

Ray Lewis will be first ballot. But, I agree, him waiting a couple of years wouldn't break my heart. All that glitters is not gold. I love his play for the Ravens, but thats not him in his entirety.

@hoorta said:

I hate you Ratbirds, but Ogden was very worthy. I just hope the Little Criminal has to cool his heels for a few years like Chris Carter did before he get in.

Ogden is the first of three sure-fire Hall of Famers drafted by Ozzie Newsome. Lewis and Ogden were his first two draft picks. got Ed Reed late in the first round. Ray Rice and a few others are headed on a great career path.

Let's pretend he learned it all from Lombardi.

Zombo

@ravens-purple-rules said:

And he (Edit Modell) won't. This was his last chance. His presence will just fade from here. He died this season. Ravens in the Super Bowl. Stars were aligned as well as they could be.

The move aside, I believe it was Peter King who said all of his "accomplishments" would have eventually gotten done with or without Art. And as long as Tony Grossi is alive and well, Art will never get in. The Move overshadows anything else positive he ever did- and then he pretty much got unceremoniously drummed out of the league when after the $50 million Baltimore\Maryland bribe still couldn't keep him financially afloat.

I've always said- the owners\contributors list should be mighty short- like George Halas and maybe a few others. Or have their own wing- like the Baseball HOF does.

@ravens-purple-rules said:

Ogden in. Bettis out, Woo Hoo

I hate you Ratbirds, but Ogden was very worthy. I just hope the Little Criminal has to cool his heels for a few years like Chris Carter did before he get in.

Zombo said:

I would vote for Senior guys and:

Larry Allen

Warren Sapp

Michael Strahan

Jerome Bettis

Chris Carter

Ogden deserves in, but he can wait a year.

Ogden in. Bettis out, Woo Hoo

@browns149 said:

Modell didn't get in WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8908467/larry-allen-cris-carter-jonathan-ogden-bill-parcells-warren-sapp-inducted-pro-football-hall-fame

And he won't. This was his last chance. His presence will just fade from here. He died this season. Ravens in the Super Bowl. Stars were aligned as well as they could be.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8908467/larry-allen-cris-carter-jonathan-ogden-bill-parcells-warren-sapp-inducted-pro-football-hall-fame

@the-gipper said:

The voting on who will enter the Pro Football Hall of Fame takes place either today or tomorrow, don't recall which. Here are brief synopses of the 17 Finalists. Two, Culp and Robinson are nominated by the Senior Committee and voted on separately. A maximum of 5 of the other 15 Finalists can make it. A max total of 7 plus the 2 Senior nominees can make it.

LARRY ALLEN OT/0G Sonoma St. 94-05 Cowboys, 06-07 49ers. 7 All Pros, 11 Pro Bowls. NFL All Decade team for the 90s and the 00s.

JEROME BETTIS RB Notre Dame. 93-95 Rams, 96-05 Steelers. Offensive Rookie of year 1995. 13,662 yards is 5th all time. 6 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pros

TIM BROWN WR Notre Dame. 1988-2003 Raiders, 04 Bucs. At retirement was #2 all time in receptions and TD catches. 19,682 kick return yards in addition to being WR. 2 All Pro 9 Pro Bowls

CRIS CARTER WR Ohio State. 87-89 Eagles, 1990-2001 Vikings, 02 Dolphins. #2 all time in receptions and TD catches at retirement. All Decade 1990s. 3 All Pro 8 Pro Bowl

CURLEY CULP DT Arizona St. 1968-1974 Chiefs, 1974-1980 Oilers, 80-81 Lions. Defensive Player of the Year 1975. 1 All Pro 6 Pro Bowl

ED DEBARTOLO, JR. Notre Dame. Majority owner of SF 49ers 1977-2000. Won 5 Super Bowls while owner of 49ers, team appeared in 10 NFC title games. NFL Man of the Year 1989. Directed to divest himself as majority owner due to involvement in political corruption in Louisiana.

KEVIN GREENE DE/LB Auburn. 85-92 Rams, 93-95 Steelers, also played with Panthers and 49ers. 5 Pro Bowls, 3 All Pros. 1990s All Decade team. At retirement was #3 in career sacks.

CHARLES HALEY DE/LB James Madison. 1986-1991 49ers. 1992-1996 Cowboys. Only player ever to play on 5 winning Super Bowl teams. 2 time Defensive Player of the Year. 5 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pros

ART MODELL Owner Browns 1961-1995, Ravens 1996-2004. Teams won NFL titles in 1964 and 2000. Served as NFL President and Chairman of Broadcast Committee. Attempted to move Browns, awarded Ravens franchise in lieu. Directed to divest majority ownership of Ravens to avoid bank foreclosure on franchise.

JONATHAN OGDEN OT UCLA 1996-2007 Ravens. 6 All Pro 11 Pro Bowl 2000s All Decade team

BILL PARCELLS Head Coach Colgate/Wichita St. HC of Giants 1983-1990, Patriot 1993-1996, Jets 1997-1999, Cowboys 2003-2006. 172-130-1 regular season record. Turned each team he coached from a losing team to a winning team during his tenure. Won 1986 and 1990 Super Bowls with Giants. Took Patriots to Super Bowl. NFL Coach of the year 1986 and 1994.

ANDRE REED WR Kutztown St. Bills 1985-1999, Redskins 2000. 951 catches 3rd all time at retirement. 9 50+ catch season second all time at retirement. 7 Pro Bowls

DAVE ROBINSON LB Penn St. 1963-1972 Packers, 1973-1974 Redskins. OLB on Packers 3 straight tites in 65-66-67. 3 All Pro 3 Pro Bowl 1960s All Decade team

WARREN SAPP DT Miami, Fla. 1995-2003 Buccaneers, 2004-2007 Raiders Defensive Rookie of the year 1995. 1999 Defensive Player of the year. 96.5 career sacks from interior line. 4 All Pro, 7 Pro Bowl All Decade teams of both 1990s and 2000s

WILL SHIELDS OT Nebraska 1993-2006 Chiefs 12 Pro Bowls, 3 All Pros All Decade team of 2000s

MICHAEL STRAHAN DE Texas Southern 1993-2007 Giants, Holds season and career record for sacks. Defensive POY 2001, 2000s All Decade Team, 5 All Pros 7 Pro Bowls.

AENEAS WILLIAMS CB/Safety. Southern U. 1991-200 Cardinals, 01-04 Rams. 8 times Pro Bowl as both corner and safety. 1990s All decade team. 55 interceptions, 9 for TDs.

I would vote for Senior guys and:

Larry Allen

Warren Sapp

Michael Strahan

Jerome Bettis

Chris Carter

Ogden deserves in, but he can wait a year.

Dave Robinson

Michael Strahan

Bill Parcells

Jerome Bettis

Chris Carter

Charles Haley

Herb Adderly

Willie Davis

Forrest Gregg

Paul Hornung

Leroy Jordan

Vince Lombardi

Ray Nitschke

Jim Ringo

Bart Starr

Jim Taylor

Willie Wood

....and Dave Robinson

The 1970s Steeler dynasty currently has 10 coaches/players:

Mel Blount

Terry Bradshaw

Mean Joe Greene

Jack Ham

Franco Harris

Jack Lambert

Chuck Noll

John Stallworth

Lynn Swann

Mike Webster

So that would give those Packers a two player/coach lead...and many...including myself that one of the biggest HOF snubs has been perpetrated on another Packer player of that era: Jerry Kramer.