@factoryofsadness said:

The curse of Art Modell not getting into the Hall of Fame will continue for the Factory Of Sadness until he does.

Then the World will end before either happens....as Modell will never get in...nor has he really deserved to get in...certainly not over many, many other contributors.

The change that the browns finish in front of the Ravens and Cinci may be a weeee bit of a stretch. You might be able to beat the steelers out for last place. But I am sure that will be a dawgfight.

Maybe....or maybe it will be the Ravens as well fighting for last. Face it, the Ravens seem like they may suffer many personnell losses. Lewis for sure. Reed, maybe. Flacco, maybe. Kruger, maybe. Ellerbe, maybe. Who else?

They looked like shite going into the playoffs, but got hot on emotion....and had a lot of luck, obviously. More than likely, going into next year, they will be more like the team that was on the field at the end of the regular season than the one we saw in the playoffs.

The browns need to get their collective heads out of their asses to allow anyone to taste it.

Glad to know though, that you are first in line when that happens.

@erie-dawg said:

Yeah if your lucky, let us know what our assholes taste like next year.

The curse of Art Modell not getting into the Hall of Fame will continue for the Factory Of Sadness until he does.

The change that the browns finish in front of the Ravens and Cinci may be a weeee bit of a stretch. You might be able to beat the steelers out for last place. But I am sure that will be a dawgfight.

The browns need to get their collective heads out of their asses to allow anyone to taste it.

@factoryofsadness said:

In CAP cost between 13-15 Mil a year. If they sign him. 20 Mil if the exclusive tag is slapped on and not signed

Yeah if your lucky, let us know what our assholes taste like next year.

@erie-dawg said:

Yeah sure because he just won the superbowl. The same could be said for any free agent quarterback that just won the SB.

Why not give us a clue on how hard he is going to hit an already cash strapped team...16 maybe 18million/ year.

In CAP cost between 13-15 Mil a year. If they sign him. 20 Mil if the exclusive tag is slapped on and not signed

@factoryofsadness said:

Who is the QB for the browns?? If Flacco were to have a shot at other teams snagging him ( which wont happen), He would get offers from over half the teams in the NFL.

Yeah sure because he just won the superbowl. The same could be said for any free agent quarterback that just won the SB.

Why not give us a clue on how hard he is going to hit an already cash strapped team...16 maybe 18million/ year.

@jrb12711 said:

Well honestly it's hard to truly compare apples to apples. A fool would say talent wise Flacco is better than Manning. Flacco might not have lead Denver to the best record in the AFC. But as I said before, no one remembers who had the best record of the regular season. Peyton Manning has consistently choked in the playoffs and his record shows that.

In regards to the level of talent around his team, Flacco was making throws all post season that were in a word perfect. That third and inches throw in the Super Bowl was absolutely a thing of beauty. He hit guys in the seam routes (mainly Boldin) that were simply not defensible. Look, I'm not here to argue against the fact Manning is a legendary QB in the league. I'm just trying to get the point across that history doesn't remember the regular season, it remembers playoffs. As it stands now, Flacco might be on pace to double or triple the rings Manning has while outperforming him in the playoffs. Which is better, having a HOF QB with inconsistent playoff results or a "above average" QB who gets you there and wins?

The problem is that even when a QB gets rings, sometimes he does not get credit. Bart Starr has 5 rings....and though that is the most in history behind only Otto Graham, very few ever include him in their list of all time greatest QBs. Marino who has none gets in there. Favre and Manning have one each and they are often named. Jim Plunkett has two rings and never gets any consideration for the HOF.

So, I don't know, at this point I would not put Flacco on a par even with BR...who has 2 rings and played for another.

So, just having a single successful playoff season doesn't get you into the photograph of best QBs.

For all we know Flacco may end up in Trent Dilfer/Mark Rypien/Brad Johnson country.

@erie-dawg said:

Anyone wana bet he wont live up to that deal...

You never take take a bet on a QB who in My mind is nowhere near being Elite...Hell Trent Dildo wasnt Elite and still got a ring....so yes,Im saying Flacco needs to do more in order for Me to say he's even remotely Elite.

@jppt1974 said:

Still Joe Flacco will get a huge deal coming to him!

Anyone wana bet he wont live up to that deal...

@brownb499 said:

If it had been Flacco going to Denver this year instead of Manning...do you really think he leads them to the best record in the AFC? AFC West champions? Playoffs?

No doubt he had a great run...But does he really raise the level of the players around him?Or do they raise his level of his play?

Well honestly it's hard to truly compare apples to apples. A fool would say talent wise Flacco is better than Manning. Flacco might not have lead Denver to the best record in the AFC. But as I said before, no one remembers who had the best record of the regular season. Peyton Manning has consistently choked in the playoffs and his record shows that.

In regards to the level of talent around his team, Flacco was making throws all post season that were in a word perfect. That third and inches throw in the Super Bowl was absolutely a thing of beauty. He hit guys in the seam routes (mainly Boldin) that were simply not defensible. Look, I'm not here to argue against the fact Manning is a legendary QB in the league. I'm just trying to get the point across that history doesn't remember the regular season, it remembers playoffs. As it stands now, Flacco might be on pace to double or triple the rings Manning has while outperforming him in the playoffs. Which is better, having a HOF QB with inconsistent playoff results or a "above average" QB who gets you there and wins?

@ithika said:

Also something that has failed to be mentioned is Flacco doesn't audible, read defenses and change protections the way Brady and Manning do. No one does for that matter. Brady and Manning don't need an OC Flacco does. I 'm sorry but Flacco is no where near those two especially Tom Brady and his multiple SB rings.

In the Superbowl the Rats had a 3rd and 1? Flacco audibled out of a run to a pass and completed it to Bolden for a big gain, gutsy move.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Flacco's total collection of work is greater than that of Manning or Brady as a whole, that'd be silly.

But as it stands right now Flacco had a greater post season, one of the greatest of all time for that matter - and beat both Manning and Brady in the process.

So, that's got to count for something.

@jrb12711 said:

Sometimes I don't get what some people base their rankings off of. If you're going off sheer talent, then it's a no brainer that guys like Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees etc are above the guy. But for me, it's all about winning when the games matter the most i.e. playoffs and 4th quarter. Flacco was genuinely flawless in the playoffs this year and won the head to head against Manning and Brady to do it. The guy has more road playoff wins than any other QB in the history of the NFL, and now has a ring.

Take that against Peyton Manning. He does have a ring but is 9-11 in the playoffs and consistently has had home field advantage in the playoffs. His QB ratings are up and down to say the least in the playoffs and has made crucial mistakes in the clutch (throwing across his body for an INT this year). So in actuality, who is better? You can bitch and moan to me all you but winning is what matters, and Flacco is officially 9-4 in the ones that matter most.

If it had been Flacco going to Denver this year instead of Manning...do you really think he leads them to the best record in the AFC? AFC West champions? Playoffs?

No doubt he had a great run...But does he really raise the level of the players around him?Or do they raise his level of his play?

He wanted his guys to jump off the bench and tackle Ginn on the last play if he broke free.

If that happened, the 49ers would certainly have been awarded a TD and won the game.

Would have been the best story ever, though ...

Joe Flacco didn’t want to take any chances in the closing seconds of Super Bowl XLVII. If San Francisco return man Ted Ginn Jr. broke into the clear on the game’s final play, he wanted his teammates to be prepared. “If he starts to break it, go tackle him,” Flacco told Ravens tight end Dennis Pitta on the sidelines, as overheard by NFL Films microphones. “I don’t know,” Flacco said, when pressed by his teammate about the legality of his idea. “I mean, what else … what could they … I don’t know. They might be able to give him a touchdown on that, but I don’t know.” According to NFL rules, the officials would have been able to award Ginn a score due to the “palpably unfair act” committed by the Ravens sideline. However, Flacco seemed ready to run the risk of committing a foul if it meant keeping the 49ers out of the end zone. “Why can’t you [tackle him]?” center Matt Birk asked his quarterback after Flacco yelled the plan to his team’s offensive line. “I will,” Flacco said. “I’m going to.” Baltimore’s special teams unit never needed any help, however, as Ginn was tackled and the Ravens were crowned champions.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/02/joe-flacco-wanted-sidelined-teammates-ready-to-run-onto-field-to-tackle-ted-ginn-on-super-bowls-final-play/

@comeonman said:

Yeah I'll give Flacco top 8. I'll tell u what I wouldn't do, is give him 20+ a year like he will want. Those level one guys maybe, not Flacco. He will never be a Brady Rogers Manning type QB. They are truly Elite. Even though he had a great postseason, he is still the same guy

Oh,no, no. The Ravens should DEFINITELY give Flacco 20 Million a year.

By all means lets have them eat up a huge portion of their salary cap with this guy....and just get scrubs to fill in the other 25 positions on that team (22 plus K/P/LS/KR).

And them let them suck swamp water. By all means, put all your eggs in the Flacco basket.

(Unfortuneatly, I believe Ozzie Newsome is too smart to do all that, so it won't happen)

@hoorta said:

IMHO, you take Flacco ahead of anyone else- you're out of your ever loving mind. Really, at least three of of those bombs he tossed up in the post season- most notably the one against Denver- though two in the SB were close seconds- were prayers that got answered. All three were badly misplayed by the defensive backs, not laser on target passes.

PS I do like Z's ranking a lot- and I notice Weeden isn't on it.

gotta agree with you on this one. Flac can get the ball down the field but it takes forever to get to the area where his receiver should be usually along

a db or two who are able to converge on his rainbow tosses. His receivers make more plays than he does. he should give them part of his impending big

contract. kaepernick, I think, showed has a lot more zip and timing on his throws. He was merely a throw away from getting a ring and he certainly

measures up much better to the current QB ace of the league.......rodgers.

@comeonman said:

Brand new 16 game season starts on Sunday. You have the option as HC to take any QB in the league. You are telling me that guy is gonna be Joe Flacco?

IMHO, you take Flacco ahead of anyone else- you're out of your ever loving mind. Really, at least three of of those bombs he tossed up in the post season- most notably the one against Denver- though two in the SB were close seconds- were prayers that got answered. All three were badly misplayed by the defensive backs, not laser on target passes.

PS I do like Z's ranking a lot- and I notice Weeden isn't on it.

Take that against Peyton Manning. He does have a ring but is 9-11 in the playoffs and consistently has had home field advantage in the playoffs. His QB ratings are up and down to say the least in the playoffs and has made crucial mistakes in the clutch (throwing across his body for an INT this year). So in actuality, who is better? You can bitch and moan to me all you but winning is what matters, and Flacco is officially 9-4 in the ones that matter most.

I don't believe Dalton is a future elite type of guy - I'd swap him with Stafford maybe in their categories.

Beat Manning,Brady - only other QB besides Montana? to throw 11 tds 0 ints in the playoffs and win the superbowl?

Highest QBR rating since the new system was put into place in 2008 of any QB in the playoffs, would take Flacco over Rapelisberger in a heartbeat.

Peoples perception of Flacco will change(with Ray "look at me" Lewis gone)once the media starts kissing this guys ass if he has another solid year next season.