@sisky-fringo said:

( ^^^^^^ reads "he was a gawd damn rookie fer krist sake!")

Weedz will be just fine. i'm thinkin it's about time for another orange jersey...and a Dawson, Thomas, D'qwell etc etc. found em for $21.59 free ship if i get ten or more (!). nike "official" stitched and everything >> hell at that price i won't even have to repeat one all year. hahaha!!

yeah i don't think that's an official jersey for $21.59

Are you sure it don't say nikie on it?

Weedz will be just fine. i'm thinkin it's about time for another orange jersey...and a Dawson, Thomas, D'qwell etc etc. found em for $21.59 free ship if i get ten or more (!). nike "official" stitched and everything >> hell at that price i won't even have to repeat one all year. hahaha!!

@miktoxic said:

that all being said if ginger stick still keeps telegraphing his passes and giving up horrible field possesion with ints, let alone pick 6's, and looking like a victim trying to audible out of a play etc. etc.... major off season for him.

it really sucks that the nfl is that way, but if you can't prove yourself in 3 years...you're a goner.

Well, you apparently seem to belive that if you can't prove yourself in one year you are a goner....or at least it seems that many on here believe that.

If that was the case then Peyton Manning, Bret Favre, Eli Manning, Tom Brady and just about every good QB out there woulda/should been a goner. (I guess Favre was....traded after his first year by Atlanta).

So, I don't know. It seems like a lot of you are looking for fool's gold, or at least a quick fix.

@miktoxic said:

same here.

i think gordon and little surpass everone's expectations and become a top ten receiving duo.

even though it might look ugly, richardson will get his 1k rushing next year.

I'm feeling the same thing. I can see Gordon as our big play receiver a la 2007 Braylon, and Little will benefit from that. I feel a Jennings/Driver situation emerging.

And I think Richardson is gonna grind out a gross 1,000 as well. Nothing spectacular, but he'll have a handful of solid runs as well as many 2-3 yard chain movers.

(>> Gordon too. Little i'm backpedaling a bit on...but hope he does as well. Norwoods my 3rd by a mile.)

pretty decent Pluto article, really nothing most of us didn't know tho. i was however enlightened only Shaub took more passes from under center than BW.

a pure shotgun guy at OSU and shrrrmmmmrrr couldn't tailor the O to him any better than that???

talk about horrible handling of a rookie. the inflexible hit the revolving door in today's NFL...which is why i'm especially excited about the Chud hire.

dude is current, relevant, adaptive, and aggressive. home run thinker with a couple home run players on the field >> a damn good start.

should be a fun off-season to sit back and watch them evolve. 7-9 or 8-8. bank it! k gotta split...got kool-aid all over muh face.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I expect a lot of early interceptions by Weeden followed by a midseason blockbuster game in which Weeden shatters the Browns passing yardage/game record. He'll finish the season with a YPG average of near 300, but will have 18+ INTs.

I also sudden boom of production from Jordan Cameron by week 5.

I also expect a decline in Gordon's catches but an increase in both yardage and TD's.

I also expect an increase in Richardson's carries and TD's but a slight decrease in his YPC.

same here.

i think gordon and little surpass everone's expectations and become a top ten receiving duo.

even though it might look ugly, richardson will get his 1k rushing next year.

I also sudden boom of production from Jordan Cameron by week 5.

I also expect a decline in Gordon's catches but an increase in both yardage and TD's.

I also expect an increase in Richardson's carries and TD's but a slight decrease in his YPC.

Next year's success/lack of success will come down to defense imo.

it really sucks that the nfl is that way, but if you can't prove yourself in 3 years...you're a goner.

Zombo said:

Brandon Weeden has never lost to the Steelers.

Can't give up on him.

Zombo

Oh im not just making conversation, actually quite excited to see weeds with turner and co.

If he dont have 25 touchdowns this year somethings wrong

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Their arm strength is about the same, but Manziel's mobility is better.

As for the Alabama game, people seem to forget that the Texas A&M defense forced three turnovers on the Crimson Tide, converting two into touchdowns and the last one to save an inevitable Alabama comeback.

And he wasn't playing high school ball the year before, because he was redshirted. This will be his third year of college.

It's well know what Chud's offense is. It's a vertical passing attack reliant on TE's coupled with a strong running game. That's what we ran in 2007, that's what the Panthers ran last season, and that's what they ran the second half of this season after the cutesy read option proved to be ineffective.

It's fair to say Chud adapts to his QB's strengths but the common denominator of all of his QB's has been a cannon arm.

Well since D.A was claimed off waivers by savage in '05 and chud wasn't part of the team until '07 and carolina drafting cam #1 overall was a no brainer its more of a fluke that they both happen to have good arms.

But you have to admit manzel played one hell of a game against the tide, kept his composure and another reason he won the Heisman.

Zombo said:

Brandon Weeden has never lost to the Steelers.

Can't give up on him.

Zombo

WOW, that is true, isn't it. Most of us didn't think of that.

Can't give up on him.

Zombo

@erie-dawg said:

Sorry but i disagree with everything you said.

Colt is not as fast and less arm.

Red shirt freshman beat #1 bama the kid was playing high school ball the year before i honestly cant see his numbers getting worse.

I dont know if anyone knows what chuds "offense" is. Are we going to see the 2007 version , or the spread option scrambling qb version? With that being said would it be fair to say that he fits his system to the Qb?

Their arm strength is about the same, but Manziel's mobility is better.

As for the Alabama game, people seem to forget that the Texas A&M defense forced three turnovers on the Crimson Tide, converting two into touchdowns and the last one to save an inevitable Alabama comeback.

And he wasn't playing high school ball the year before, because he was redshirted. This will be his third year of college.

It's well know what Chud's offense is. It's a vertical passing attack reliant on TE's coupled with a strong running game. That's what we ran in 2007, that's what the Panthers ran last season, and that's what they ran the second half of this season after the cutesy read option proved to be ineffective.

It's fair to say Chud adapts to his QB's strengths but the common denominator of all of his QB's has been a cannon arm.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Johnny Football does not fit our scheme in the slightest and won't have the same season next year as he did this year. He has some great tools, but he's an undersized, scrambling dink-and-dunker. Think Drew Brees with a smaller arm but more maneuverable.

He's Colt McCoy, if Colt McCoy didn't suck.

For the system we had under Shurmur, he'd be great. Not so much in Chud's offense.

Sorry but i disagree with everything you said.

Colt is not as fast and less arm.

Red shirt freshman beat #1 bama the kid was playing high school ball the year before i honestly cant see his numbers getting worse.

I dont know if anyone knows what chuds "offense" is. Are we going to see the 2007 version , or the spread option scrambling qb version? With that being said would it be fair to say that he fits his system to the Qb?

@erie-dawg said:

Suck for johnny football?

Johnny Football does not fit our scheme in the slightest and won't have the same season next year as he did this year. He has some great tools, but he's an undersized, scrambling dink-and-dunker. Think Drew Brees with a smaller arm but more maneuverable.

He's Colt McCoy, if Colt McCoy didn't suck.

For the system we had under Shurmur, he'd be great. Not so much in Chud's offense.

@miktoxic said:

i'll just say this, if weeden isn't better this coming season, you know we'll be looking to draft QB #1 in 2014.

and as far as a QB competition...it's happening. haslam said it last week.

Suck for johnny football?

and as far as a QB competition...it's happening. haslam said it last week.

Really looking forward to 2013 / 14 season, can't start soon enough !

Anyone that watched the Browns last year knew that Weeden didn't fit Shurmur's system. I am not sure even Joe Montana would have fit Shurmur's system, and he was the prototypical WCO QB. Shurmur couldn't coach.

I expect Weeden to be much better next year....more experience, an offense that fits his style, etc.

But, of course, we are getting feelers that Lombardi doesn't like Weeden. Well, frack off Lombardi, that is why no one trusts your judgment.

At this point I am more interested in Chud's and Turner assessment of how Weeden can run THEIR offense.

Lombardi will NOT dictate to them the style of offense they will run. His job is to get the players for Chud that fit what he wants to do....and right now I cannot help but think that Weeden could be very good in the Chud/Turner system.

Hell...Alex Smith would probably have been better running the Holmgren/Shurmur offense than the Chud offense, though he didn't do bad in that spread option thing. I don't think that is the style of offense, per se, that is going to be run here.

@rooster-dick said:

Can we tag this post and bring it back next season? Tards!

"Show dick some respect" - Judd Nelson

Give the kid another chance this year. There are worse or NO players at much needed positions.