@the-gipper said:

And you know, a lot of people come to this basic area to "Amish country". A bit south of the Cleveland/Akron metro area, but withing easy reach. I know that when my sisters have people visit from out of town that is where they head.

(speaking of hardware stores and the Amish, there is Lehman's in Kidron which may be the biggest or most unusual hardware store in the world.)

Lehman's is a neat place to visit. Another is Warther's Museum in Dover. To refer to his work as carvings leaves a false impression. His work looks NOTHING like "hand made". Here is a link to the site. The museum tour is a must. http://www.warthers.com/Ernest_Warther.htm

Also, check out our State record fish that stack up well nationally & our trophy deer rank high nationally as well.

Mike

@cdl15 said:

Small town living south of clev and north of colum is where it is. Phuch shitty city livin that john rocker speaks of

Not sure what you are advocating. You could say that I live in a "small town", 25K, between Cleveland and Columbus. More of a suburb of Akron.

@cdl15 said:

Small town living south of clev and north of colum is where it is. Phuch shitty city livin that john rocker speaks of

Sometimes it is nice to see other people without having to spend $10 in gas and 30 minutes each way to a real grocery store or watering hole.

(speaking of hardware stores and the Amish, there is Lehman's in Kidron which may be the biggest or most unusual hardware store in the world.)

btw, the WW. MAPS Air Museum. Near Akron-Canton Airport. Dedicated to history of aviation..

is excellent. A lot of history, uniforms, equipment, bomb shell casings, artwork made from the large shell casings...

and airplanes and helicopters. Old planes, newer planes.... it's a very cool place to go. And it's just

a little ways down the expressway to the Canton football HOF.

@the-gipper said:

Most wouldn't rank the Art Museum that high. But it could definitely be considered top 10. I have a sister and some clients who inhabit the "art world" and from what I hear from them, the focus of art is always changing. What used to be a niche museum like say The Guggenheim or the MOMAs in various cities (NY, SF, LA) are now mainstream art museum.

Cleveland's is an old, staid...but not stale museum. Like some wines, better with age. I mean, the Louvre is always going to be great with its collection, and so is the Cleveland Art Museum.

I intended to make a visit last season to check out the renovations, but never made it.

Assuming I go up there this season, I'll have to make it a Saturday afternoon. Seems my wife and I went maybe 3-4 years before the renovations, and it seems like those took 2-3 years, so it's nearing 10 years since my last visit.

@ballpeen said:

No doubt there is much to do in Cleveland.

I might question some of the rankings.....The Art Museum as an example.....a great place for sure, but I wouldn't rate is 2nd best in the country, but that is just picking.....no doubt it is world class no matter where it rates.

Most wouldn't rank the Art Museum that high. But it could definitely be considered top 10. I have a sister and some clients who inhabit the "art world" and from what I hear from them, the focus of art is always changing. What used to be a niche museum like say The Guggenheim or the MOMAs in various cities (NY, SF, LA) are now mainstream art museum.

Cleveland's is an old, staid...but not stale museum. Like some wines, better with age. I mean, the Louvre is always going to be great with its collection, and so is the Cleveland Art Museum.

@the-gipper said:

I believe the original owners that gave it that name were from Cleveland.

Yes they were. Hence the name. It is a South Beach institution and an architectural gem.

I sang the theme from the Love Boat badly at the top of my lungs while fully clothed in the wading pool there.

Z

@slowburn said:

Grew up east side of cbus. Not much has changed in 50 years besides a change in demographics. City has no real "feel' to it

like more industrial cities of similar size. If you like to shop at malls, eat at restaurants in recently annoited trendy areas and

live and die talking endlessly about OSU football and basketball then you will fit in nicely. Unlike Cleveland, for instance, the city

has really no ethnic neighborhoods although a lot of Germans and Irish spent time here since cbus was incorportated circa 1830's.

The west side consists mainly of 60 year old wood frame homes inhabited by an abundance of second or third generation appalachain hill

billies who migrated here for the industrial jobs that have disappeared over the past several decades. The south side is the least respected. This area

is much like the west side with the city's sewage treatment plants and landfills mixed in for flavor. The east side, once a bastion for the white

middle class, is deteriorating after a massive white flight to the mainly eastern suburbs, i.e Picktown, Canal Winchester and others.

The northwest side of town is where the affluent have taken refuge in their drab, flavorless enclaves. The highlight of their existance is The Memorial

Golf Tournament. This is one of the few times that Jack Nickalaus visits his hometown.

I love Cleveland's downtown area. The massiveness of some of the bldgs blow my mind. The topography with the river and bridges give the place a gritty

one-of-a-kind feel. The vibrancy of it's nightlife is heads and shoulders above cbus' drab, vanilla, homogenous mix of boring, plastic waanabe players.

I've got a pretty good feel for the city after retiring from it's Fire Department five years ago. I currently live one county north of Cbus and avoid

the place like the plague these days.

Like I said I prefer Cleveland for sure. BUT Columbus is second best in Ohio for sure. I live in the Dublin/Hilliard area and I like it. You also forgot to mention the arena district which is nice with the clippers/Blue Jackets and bars and restaurants. Also german village, Italian Village. Arts and Cultural and a highly diverse population friendly to all types. Again it is no Cleveland, but it is also no Cincitucky.

I might question some of the rankings.....The Art Museum as an example.....a great place for sure, but I wouldn't rate is 2nd best in the country, but that is just picking.....no doubt it is world class no matter where it rates.

like more industrial cities of similar size. If you like to shop at malls, eat at restaurants in recently annoited trendy areas and

live and die talking endlessly about OSU football and basketball then you will fit in nicely. Unlike Cleveland, for instance, the city

has really no ethnic neighborhoods although a lot of Germans and Irish spent time here since cbus was incorportated circa 1830's.

The west side consists mainly of 60 year old wood frame homes inhabited by an abundance of second or third generation appalachain hill

billies who migrated here for the industrial jobs that have disappeared over the past several decades. The south side is the least respected. This area

is much like the west side with the city's sewage treatment plants and landfills mixed in for flavor. The east side, once a bastion for the white

middle class, is deteriorating after a massive white flight to the mainly eastern suburbs, i.e Picktown, Canal Winchester and others.

The northwest side of town is where the affluent have taken refuge in their drab, flavorless enclaves. The highlight of their existance is The Memorial

Golf Tournament. This is one of the few times that Jack Nickalaus visits his hometown.

I love Cleveland's downtown area. The massiveness of some of the bldgs blow my mind. The topography with the river and bridges give the place a gritty

one-of-a-kind feel. The vibrancy of it's nightlife is heads and shoulders above cbus' drab, vanilla, homogenous mix of boring, plastic waanabe players.

I've got a pretty good feel for the city after retiring from it's Fire Department five years ago. I currently live one county north of Cbus and avoid

the place like the plague these days.

@the-gipper said:

A few highlights ( a few years old...since LeQuit is still on here)

Great video...too bad they don't have the Cleveland Grand Prix anymore either. I always wanted to see it. The first race was the year I moved to California in 1982, always said I was going to go back one year. Maybe it will get a 2nd life at some point.

@browns57 said:

I love telling people how great NE Ohio is. Of course most of them laugh at me. No matter what is on your list NE Ohio is definitely no Chicago, NY City or Hollywood. It isn't even Portland. But having lived all over Ohio I can definately say there is no place else in Ohio I would rather be. That area is different than the rest of the state. But not because of the things you listed. What makes NE Ohio different is the people. The people are the kind of people you can hang out and drink a beer with, have a good conversations and listen to AC/DC or some other rock n' roll band. Real authentic people who say what they mean and mean what they say.

I would actually argue that other than the people, sports and rock n roll, Columbus has Cleveland beat. There is a ton to do in Columbus. It is a smart and diverse city, with tolerance and more affluence. Really not a bad place.

As for SW OHIO; I would give the whole group away to Kentucky for free along with everyone in Toledo.

And you forgot that there is a planetarium at the museum next to the McKinley Monument. Loved that museum when I was a kid.

To me, Columbus is more like some of those newer plastic cities of the south. It lacks character. \

TC yabbers about the "old industrial look" of Cleveland. I tell you what, that is one of the things I love about it. It has that character, that history. Columbus does not have that.

Pittsburgh and Cincinnati do have that imo. In Cleveland you can drive down through the flatlands and see all the different bridges, sometime two of them crossing over each other, and converted factories and piles of ore, and see huge barges traversing the Crooked River, and go to the Harbor Inn to have a drink with a longshoreman, a biker, a lawyer, a college student. You can go through Tremont to the renovated housing and storefronts and restaurants. See St. Theodosius there and be reminded of the way things were and the movies they made there.

Other older neighborhoods with character include Ohio City and Larchmere, and Coventry and Shaker Square on the East Side, and Slavic Village and Lakewood and Kamm's Corner and others.

That is what a real city is about to me: character. Cleveland has it in spades.

Zombo said:

Been there many-a-time sir.

The owners, at least 15 years ago, were young guys from Ohio, Dayton area, but they inherited the Clevelander name.

Zombo

I believe the original owners that gave it that name were from Cleveland.

@the-gipper said:

Imagine that. You know what one of the most popular places in South Beach is called?

Been there many-a-time sir.

The owners, at least 15 years ago, were young guys from Ohio, Dayton area, but they inherited the Clevelander name.

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

NEOpolitan. I made a mistake with my title. A NEOpolitan can be someone who lives in The NEOtropolis, i.e. the NorthEastOhio metropolitan area.

Its a fairly new term for the area, like The North Coast used to be.

http://www.facebook.com/NEOtropolisTV

Gotcha ... I like it.

Maybe I can turn some Neopolitans into Neapolitans ... there is a marketing idea in there somewhere.

Zombo

Zombo said:

I am a Neapolitan. Because I leave in Naples. Shouldn't these be Clevelander amenities or some such?

Or did you mean Metropolitan amenities?

Zombo

Imagine that. You know what one of the most popular places in South Beach is called?