@mld-woody said:

Except that doesn't make sense...

Of course it does, and of course it doesn't.

Calling Obama lazy is no different than calling you lazy or me lazy.

People used to think the Irish or a bunch of lazy stupid drunks. (Hmmmmmm)

Calling Gingrich a prick is no more racially motivated than calling Obama lazy arrogant, or even a prick.

Some might try to say it's worse because there's some sort of perception that blacks are lazy.

And that's no more valid than saying there's a perception that white people are pricks.

Yes indeed Woodrow there are lazy people of all colors and nationalities and parties. Deal with it.

WSS

Take any of these situations that're outrageous to you.

Switch the races.

If it sounds ridiculous, it is ridiculous.

Example: Roger Ailes called Gingrich a prick.

I demand Ailes apologize for making such a racist statement

WSS

I'm not even commenting on what Powell said. I don't even remember which "Obama is lazy" comment he was referring to. (Ailes? Sununu? Someone else?) But you can make that comment in a way that's not racist, and particular to one person, and you can make it in a way that's prejudiced, or as an appeal to other people's prejudices.

If it was Sununu, I happen to think that, yes, that was an intentional appeal to prejudice. Republican flacks have been blowing that dog whistle for years. Sununu blew it a few times this past campaign. It's nothing new.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

I really don't think you're a very good measure of what is and isn't bright.

I must not be considering I gave you credit for that amount of wit.

I certainly know what Colin Powell is saying. But there are some instances when you're only calling a black person lazy because they're being lazy and they happen to be black. There are also instances where saying black people are lazy would be an appeal to prejudice, or prejudiced on its own. It would depend on the statement.

Oh please.

Saying this guy is lazy is because he doesn't really like the work of the president, people for both sides say that.

Add nobody, I repeat nobody was saying that black people are lazy they were saying Obama is lazy.

Add to play the race card there is stupid and beneath Powell, but I guess not beneath you.

Anything short of complete patronization is racism to you.

WSS

@the-cysko-kid said:

What the hell is this? Can't tell on the phone.

You're lucky.

@vaportrail said:

What the hell is this? Can't tell on the phone.

I certainly know what Colin Powell is saying. But there are some instances when you're only calling a black person lazy because they're being lazy and they happen to be black. There are also instances where saying black people are lazy would be an appeal to prejudice, or prejudiced on its own. It would depend on the statement.

Like, when you called inner city black voters "illiterate welfare criminals" for instance. That would be an textbook example of prejudice. Also racism.

I tend to think this is shtick for you.

You should be bright enough to understand how ridiculous it is when a respected man like Colin Powell can seriously say that it's racially offensive to call President Obama lazy.

That's just an incredibly stupid statements to make.

WSS

And I don't see any black leader with the pull of a Limbaugh or a Hannity or a Drudge. I don't get the comparison. Those are all huge media figures in Republican politics. The black people you complain about - Farrakhan, Sharpton, Jackson - are bit players with small audiences and little or no pull in Democratic politics today. The comparison simply doesn't work.

Think of it this way: you're proud that, on an individual level, you don't have a problem with black people, as long as you consider them sufficiently enough like you. But on the group level, you have nothing but contempt for them.

I don't think the fact that you might, say, like a black guy who played with you in a band eliminates the racist problem you have. But whatever. You're you. You're not changing. We can move on.

The next time you start running down your list of Republican leaders and include Drudge Rush Limbaugh shot Hannity etcetera etcetera ( Because they are visible and outspoken) Keep in mind their counterparts who claim to speak for the black population.

I'm not sure how far you want Republicans to go, they clearly need to outbid the Democrats right?

And to get back to a previous claim, I don't really think most black people, who are pretty much just normal human beings, think that drugs are a plot to eliminate their race.

I don't think most of them like the gang violence and illiteracy etcetera any more than the average population, probably even less.

And blaming me doesn't help anything it just whips up your base.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

Plus, just for the record, I don't think you can compare an actual vote with polling data.

WSS

Sure you can. You just poll likely voters.

Your real problem is that you think it's truth-telling. But it's not. It's just garden variety prejudice, racism, and/or tribalism.

WSS

( Another reason I can't get weak at the knees over the Bill of Rights)

But if it makes you feel any better I can most certainly understand black animosity towards white people.

I do, however, think that it's time to let it go but there's so much money to be made from so called liters of that movement by demagoguing the situation.

Plus most of the really incendiary things that I've said we're rewritten , paraphrased or just completely made up by you.

But that's your cartoon world and most people can see that.

So have we officially discarded the Portman topic?

WSS

Honestly, brother, once again I'd just like to point out to you that if you worked in any sort of public position and you just compared the way black voters are enthusiastic for Obama with the way the Klan was enthusiastic for David Duke ...you'd be fired. And publicly rebuked. And people who have to distance themselves from you.

Of course, you'd have been fired for about 93 other things you've written in the past, but you can just chalk it up to the world being "too PC" and not you being kind of racist.

What's always fun about you is that your big problem with blacks is that you think they're too provincial and insular and only see things from a black perspective, and play for the black team. Meanwhile, you're too provincial and insular and only see things from a white perspective, and play for the white team. You really lack the basic self-awareness to see that you're doing the exact same thing you accuse them of doing. Which, of course, is psychology 101 - the thing that really bothers you about other people is really the thing that bothers you about yourself - but we don't need to put you on the couch.

And what's fun about this thread is that it started with Vapor making a claim about black voters. And then Diehard said "exactly." And then I brought out the numbers that showed that black voters have always voted in large numbers, and that the Obama effect is only a few percentage points, and that it doesn't support the statement he made. So Vapor said, "My bad." Because he's willing to confront when his opinions aren't born out by reality.

You, on the other hand, never do. Me pointing out the actual numbers of how blacks votes? That's prejudice on the other side!

Cue Steven Colbert: "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

plenty of "Doh" moments here for me when I re-read my offerings, lol

@vaportrail said:

No, I just made an uneducated comment, which is something I think most people here won't admit to.

That's big of you vapor. I'll continue on with a wrong viewpoint, sometimes just to play devils advocate, so i'll cop to it. I doubt anyone here is guilty of being right all the time.

@vaportrail said:

No, I just made an uneducated comment, which is something I think most people here won't admit to.

Oh come on, most of us are happy to admit when you make an uneducated comment.

WSS

....

oops. Wait, I ....

too late.

crap.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

I think Vapor was just baiting you anyway.

No, I just made an uneducated comment, which is something I think most people here won't admit to.