2. Weeden and Greg Little.

3. QB

4. LT, that's it...

5. Nope

QBs: Weeden, McCoy, Thad Lewis, Josh Johnson#(delete, signed by Cincy), add Jason Campbell

RBs: Hardesty, Ogbannaya, Trent Richardson, Brandon Jackson#

TEs: Barnidge, Cameron, Dan Gronkowski, Smelley, Alex Smith#, add Kellen Davis

WRs: Benjamin, Josh Cooper, Gordon, Little, Norwood, Massaquoi#, Cribbs#

FB: Marecic

OL: Alford, Cousins, Greco, Lauvao, Mack, Miller, Pinkston, The Schwartz, Jarrod Shaw, Joe Thomas

P: Hodges#, Spencer Lanning

LS: Christian Yount

DL: Kendrick Adams, Des Bryant, Hall Davis, Kitchen, John Hughes, Rubin, Sheard, Taylor, Winn, Brian Sanford, Juqua Parker#

LBs: Acho, Carder, Fort, Gocong, Groves, DQ Jackson, JMJ, Kruger, Andrien Moten, Robertson, Fujita#

DBs: Bademosi, Gipson, Haden, Hagg, Prince Miller, Kent Richardson, Skrine, Wade, Ward, Usama Young, Sheldon Brown#, Ray Ventrone#, Chris Owens, Kevin Barnes.

K: None

That is 71 players of which 8 are UNR. FAs. These include all Taxi Squad guys...but no draftees or Undrafted FAs

@vaportrail said:

Sure thing, ignoramus. The rugby team that I played on was The UD Rugby Football Club. Is it superfluous? Sure. But to say that you've never heard of that term just shows that you really haven't been exposed to much of it.

I didn't say I never heard of it. I said that its use is superfluous. That is the same as saying "The Cleveland Browns Football Team", or the Cleveland Indians Baseball Team. Any team can be called by the sport it is.

But would you ever call them The Cleveland Browns American Football Team"? Or the Cleveland Cavaliers United States Basketball Team? Or the Leeds United Kingdom Rugby Football Team?

See my point?

I know there are different versions of rugby, like Rugby Sevens, which you probably do have to distinguish simply because of the number of people on the field, I guess.

Sure thing, ignoramus. The rugby team that I played on was The UD Rugby Football Club. Is it superfluous? Sure. But to say that you've never heard of that term just shows that you really haven't been exposed to much of it.

@vaportrail said:

And you're calling him the arrogant and ignorant one? lol

Right. Sorry, did I forget to give you your honorable mention?

And you're calling him the arrogant and ignorant one? lol

@gftchris said:

Love the word nomenclature, seriously underused these days! Anyway, the term is used by pretty much everyone outside America to describe the sport played in the NFL. To most other people, football means soccer. I'm not sure why it's so important though?

Here is your second lesson: Fuck all what the rest of the world says or calls it. It is important because when you use that excuse it comes off as being the height of ignorance and arrogance. It IS simply football. There is no other name for it.

Unlike soccer...which, by the way was coined by the British, not the Americans or anyone else.

Just FYI, as for other sports not needing the prefix of the place it was invented? Well you've heard of rugby (technically Rugby Football) - this was invented in a town called Rugby.

But that is how it got its name. No one I have ever known ever called it "Rugby Football". Calling it Rugby Football would be superfluous....and confusing to some.

I know there are different versions of rugby, like Rugby Sevens, which you probably do have to distinguish simply because of the number of people on the field, I guess.

On top of that, you have Australian football, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Muay Thai, and if you're feeling generous, Gaelic football. There are probably others, and I'm sure there are a load of stick fighting sports from Africa that are peculiar to that tribe that have been missed out.

Do the people of Australia call their game "Australian football", or do the Gaelic people call that game "Gaelic football"? (Isn't "Gaelic football" also called hurling, or is that a different sport altogether)

Anyway, how about we just agree that when I say football on here, I mean what you mean? And if I want to talk about that other sport, I'll call it soccer?

That would be wise, and appropriate.

@the-gipper said:

FYI, there is no such thing as "American Football". Anyone that uses that nomenclature is assinine.

There is: Baseball, football, basketball, softball, hockey, golf, tennis, bowling, soccer, tiddlywinks, cornhole, chess, checkers, auto racing, rodeo, bocce ball, darts, jarts, wrestling, quidditch, rugby, etc. etc. etc., none of which require qualifyers like Asian/African/European/Arctic/Antarctic/American/Martian/Venusian/Saturnian to them.

Love the word nomenclature, seriously underused these days! Anyway, the term is used by pretty much everyone outside America to describe the sport played in the NFL. To most other people, football means soccer. I'm not sure why it's so important though?

Just FYI, as for other sports not needing the prefix of the place it was invented? Well you've heard of rugby (technically Rugby Football) - this was invented in a town called Rugby. On top of that, you have Australian football, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Muay Thai, and if you're feeling generous, Gaelic football. There are probably others, and I'm sure there are a load of stick fighting sports from Africa that are peculiar to that tribe that have been missed out.

Anyway, how about we just agree that when I say football on here, I mean what you mean? And if I want to talk about that other sport, I'll call it soccer?

@gftchris said:

Let's not get in to that! Just for clarity, both are types of football - American Football played in the NFL and Association Football, played just about everywhere else, so any debate about which is the 'real' football is pretty pointless

FYI, there is no such thing as "American Football". Anyone that uses that nomenclature is assinine.

There is: Baseball, football, basketball, softball, hockey, golf, tennis, bowling, soccer, tiddlywinks, cornhole, chess, checkers, auto racing, rodeo, bocce ball, darts, jarts, wrestling, quidditch, rugby, etc. etc. etc., none of which require qualifyers like Asian/African/European/Arctic/Antarctic/American/Martian/Venusian/Saturnian to them.

@the-gipper said:

Just FYI, "real" football is Football. What you watch is soccer or futbol. No charge for educational fees.

Let's not get in to that! Just for clarity, both are types of football - American Football played in the NFL and Association Football, played just about everywhere else, so any debate about which is the 'real' football is pretty pointless

@gftchris said:

I've grown up with "real" football - soccer, to you lot, I suppose - in the UK. I started following the Browns a couple of years ago, in part due to Randy Lerner (who is chairman of my beloved Aston Villa, as I'm sure everyone knows - if it helps, we used to bitch and whine that he was distracted by the Browns all the time); also because I have family in Ohio - it took me a while to realise that there was another team in the state and by then I was already converted!

I watched the superbowl a few years in a row and realised it's actually great fun, so started taking a more serious interest.

Hope that helps

Just FYI, "real" football is Football. What you watch is soccer or futbol. No charge for educational fees.

@browns57 said:

Not confident as having Sheard as a starter? Wow.

Yes he has to now move to LB so that can be risky, but Sheard is a great talent and we are lucky to have him as part of our defense. He led our team in sacks the past two years. Not saying 7.5 and 8 sacks is amazing but it was the best on our team.

I hear ya, but that switch to OLB from DE doesn't work for everybody... see Mario Williams. That is why I am not confident.

He is no doubt a solid pass-rusher, but can he cover when he needs to? I like Sheard and hope he works out but it is just a big "?" right now as a starting OLB. Either way, I think Horton will fit him into our D plenty b/c of his ability to get pressure.

@thenew23 said:

How about instead of the whole roster, we look at the starting lineup first

QB - Weeden

RB - Richardson

WR - Gordon, Little

TE - Cameron, Davis

OL - Thomas, Greco, Mack, Lauvao, Schwartz

Subs - FB - Smelley, WR3 - Benjamin

DL - Taylor, Rubin, Bryant

LBs - Kruger, Jackson, Gocong, Sheard

CBs - Haden, Owens

FS - Young

SS - Ward

Subs - NCB - Skrine, DCB - Wade

Biggest holes?

CB2 and ILB

Players I'm not confident with having them as a starter?

Sheard, Young, Lauvao, Smelley

Where are we set?

RB, WR1, 2 OTs, LG, C, 3 DLs, 1 ILB, 1 OLB, CB1, SS (13 out of 26, not bad)

Not confident as having Sheard as a starter? Wow.

Yes he has to now move to LB so that can be risky, but Sheard is a great talent and we are lucky to have him as part of our defense. He led our team in sacks the past two years. Not saying 7.5 and 8 sacks is amazing but it was the best on our team.

QB - Weeden

RB - Richardson

WR - Gordon, Little

TE - Cameron, Davis

OL - Thomas, Greco, Mack, Lauvao, Schwartz

Subs - FB - Smelley, WR3 - Benjamin

DL - Taylor, Rubin, Bryant

LBs - Kruger, Jackson, Gocong, Sheard

CBs - Haden, Owens

FS - Young

SS - Ward

Subs - NCB - Skrine, DCB - Wade

Biggest holes?

CB2 and ILB

Players I'm not confident with having them as a starter?

Sheard, Young, Lauvao, Smelley

Where are we set?

RB, WR1, 2 OTs, LG, C, 3 DLs, 1 ILB, 1 OLB, CB1, SS (13 out of 26, not bad)

2. Aside from those FAs who else should be given the James Bond ejector seat treatment? Marisuck,Cousins

3. Which positions do you think should be shorn up in either FA or the draft? a guard,possibly another true inside lb,safety,corner,fullback

4. Are there any positions you think the Browns are set at and need no further acquisitions? I like our young talent at WR,RB,DL

5. Are there any questions I haven't asked that should be?

@the-gipper said:

You are new to this NFL malarky? Just curious, what does that mean? That you are like 10-12 years old? That you are from Europe or somewhere and are used to following other sports?

Or that you are just now getting into discussion about player personell and how they are acquired, be it draft, FA, trade, etc.

I've grown up with "real" football - soccer, to you lot, I suppose - in the UK. I started following the Browns a couple of years ago, in part due to Randy Lerner (who is chairman of my beloved Aston Villa, as I'm sure everyone knows - if it helps, we used to bitch and whine that he was distracted by the Browns all the time); also because I have family in Ohio - it took me a while to realise that there was another team in the state and by then I was already converted!

I watched the superbowl a few years in a row and realised it's actually great fun, so started taking a more serious interest.

Hope that helps

@gftchris said:

I really hope you're right I'm new to this NFL malarky so it's difficult to distinguish absurd rumour from absurd fact - everyone was saying in the summer that Lombardi would be a ridiculous hire by Banner but it still happened.

If nothing happens on our D-line for the next 5 years I'll probably be quite happy, we seem pretty much set.

You are new to this NFL malarky? Just curious, what does that mean? That you are like 10-12 years old? That you are from Europe or somewhere and are used to following other sports?

Or that you are just now getting into discussion about player personell and how they are acquired, be it draft, FA, trade, etc.

Zombo said:

Questions:

1. Will any of the FAs be kept in your opinion? Should any be kept?

No and No.

2. Aside from those FAs who else should be given the James Bond ejector seat treatment?

Marecik.

Agree....question is: is Smelley going to be a TE of FB? Inquiring minds want to know.

3. Which positions do you think should be shorn up in either FA or the draft?

TE, G, CB, S, QB, FB, K, P, ST, LB

So, did the Browns not just sign another TE since I made this post?

4. Are there any positions you think the Browns are set at and need no further acquisitions?

You can't ever say that, but I like our group at T and C , the DL, and the starters at WR and RB

5. Are there any questions I haven't asked that should be?

http://www.edcollins.com/questions-to-ponder.htm

Would you really want to spend the time reading my answers to all those?

Zombo

If nothing happens on our D-line for the next 5 years I'll probably be quite happy, we seem pretty much set.

@gftchris said:

there seems to be an awful lot of talk about trading

Only stupid people are talking about trading a D-lineman from a team that's in the bottom half of the league in total, run, and pass D. Banner explicitly said he wanted DL to be a strength. We have already achieved the maximum value from the DL picks. Rubin was a SIXTH round pick - and he is a borderline allpro. Winn was also a sixth round pick. We drafted Taylor in the first round for a reason.. to be a beast of an anchor, which he is. We need every one of our current DL on our roster, because the only "assets" being discussed would, if they left, leave a smoking wreckage where our previously good DL used to be.

Who wants to send me a check for $1000 if neither Rubin nor Taylor are traded to another team in the next 18 months?

1. Will any of the FAs be kept in your opinion? Should any be kept?

No and No.

2. Aside from those FAs who else should be given the James Bond ejector seat treatment?

Marecik.

3. Which positions do you think should be shorn up in either FA or the draft?

TE, G, CB, S, QB, FB, K, P, ST, LB

4. Are there any positions you think the Browns are set at and need no further acquisitions?

You can't ever say that, but I like our group at T and C , the DL, and the starters at WR and RB

5. Are there any questions I haven't asked that should be?

http://www.edcollins.com/questions-to-ponder.htm

Zombo

1. No, Sheldon Brown if he goes to FS could be ideal - Haden, Ward, Brown, Milliner (making the assumption) would be one of the best secondaries around.

2. The people I haven't heard of lol.

3. I expect to see a TE come in through FA. I'd quite like to see an experienced route runner come in to help the guys we have.

4. RB, NT, DE

5. Who's going to be the breakout Brown this season? Cameron as a pass cather; Benjamin as a PR/KR/SR; Smelley as a FB; Weedon in this offence; another?

We could happily go in to the season with the D-Line we have, but there seems to be an awful lot of talk about trading Rubin, so who knows, if he goes we probably need a replacement.

Oh, and, we're probably also set at LS.

Definitely need to find a starting CB, FS, & TE; probably need another WR, OG.