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@dab7291993 said:

Kinda helps that Ben extends plays like no one I've ever seen.

Ben is a joke compared to Elway...now theres a guy who could extend plays...much like Steve young...

@dab7291993 said:

Kinda helps that Ben extends plays like no one I've ever seen.

EXTENDz. it's like viagra without a prescription.

@mark-o said:

I would agree. But we also had a head coach who was forcing a ridiculous outdated offensive system on a QB that it didn't fit. I'm willing to give Weeden another season with Norv coaching him. If he doesn't get it this year and play considerably better, he's never going to get it.

I get sick of people saying this offense or that offense is "outdated"...I hate to tell you this...but offenses comes down to a couple things...timing of when plays are called...and the talent you have running them...Weather it be trap plays,sprint option or deep outs,slants and hook routs...Passing is contingent on having proper foot work and mastering your hitch steps. This plays a crucial part in aiding in accuracy...and the timing in wich patterns are run. You cant fake basic fundamentals,no matter what offense your running.

@roach said:

Slowness on foot and in the helmet is a bad combination.

I would agree. But we also had a head coach who was forcing a ridiculous outdated offensive system on a QB that it didn't fit. I'm willing to give Weeden another season with Norv coaching him. If he doesn't get it this year and play considerably better, he's never going to get it.

@miktoxic said:

please tell me he's not one of 'those' players that are going to come 'out' of their lockers.

what new lifestyle? being on a losing team? change of scenery? i think i would rather live in northern ohio any day than bumb fuck tumble weed ok,lahoma. barren cowfuckville.

New lifestyle meaning being in the NFL, and having more money than he ever did before. Just leading the life of a pro athlete. I know he was a minor league baseball player, but that is different imo.

@miktoxic said:

please tell me he's not one of 'those' players that are going to come 'out' of their lockers.

what new lifestyle? being on a losing team? change of scenery? i think i would rather live in northern ohio any day than bumb fuck tumble weed ok,lahoma. barren cowfuckville.

Probably the "having millions of dollars" new lifestyle.

@the-gipper said:

He looked no worse than many rookie QBs over the years, adapting to a new lifelstyle etc.

please tell me he's not one of 'those' players that are going to come 'out' of their lockers.

what new lifestyle? being on a losing team? change of scenery? i think i would rather live in northern ohio any day than bumb fuck tumble weed ok,lahoma. barren cowfuckville.

@blowe said:

Trent Richardson looked extremely average when running between the tackles last year. What is with you and unproven turds?

The guy is a fuxking idiot. Just let him and his Retarded opinions be, it does no good to try and talk sense with him.

@poeticg said:

Don't be jackasses. You're looking at Peyton Hillis' stats from 2010 the year Colt was a rookie with no reps with the starting team until the Pittsburgh game. Weeden had the #3 overall pick of the draft and future probowler in Trent Richardson, for god's fucking sake you bunch of sad sacks, Trent ran all season with broken ribs while Peyton sat out because he was "sick", pulled hammy, ect., ect... I supported the shit out of Hillis in 2010 but the dude couldn't hold a candle to what Trent Richardson brings when he's in the game. Learn your football... you "little lombardys".

I almost forgot... Weeden also knew that he would be the starting QB from day 1 simply from where he was picked in the draft. He took all the reps. Don't even try to compare Weeden's situation with Colt's, it's ubsurd.

Trent Richardson looked extremely average when running between the tackles last year. What is with you and unproven turds?

@poeticg said:

Don't even try to compare Weeden's situation with Colt's, it's ubsurd.

Right... both inexperienced quarterbacks thrown into new systems, for a reigning 4-12 or 5-11 team, that lacks offensive playmakers at all positions, and with some of the worst offensive coaching I've ever seen...

Just absurd to compare...

@roach said:

Slowness on foot and in the helmet is a bad combination.

I don't think BW3 is slow in the helmet. He looked no worse than many rookie QBs over the years, adapting to a new program/lifelstyle etc.

Zombo said:

Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.

Joe Flacco current ring holder.

They all run like deer.

Zombo

Slowness on foot and in the helmet is a bad combination.

I can't recall them ever stating they wouldn't add any new QB's, in fact the whole time since this new staff took over they've been saying they would, not directly but in that they never verbally committed to Weeden nor gave him much if any praise... so that tells you all you need to know.

Hillis had a hell of a year in 2010 but he blew his load and that's the best you are ever going to see from him.

You would expect Richardson to outperform Hillis' 2010 stats multiple times during his career, hopefully starting this season.

About the main topic, what exactly is a franchise Quarterback? Someone who can wins you games with his arm alone? Sure Weeden has the potential to be that, but he's 29 and you need more than just a QB - hell I think the standards have been raised on franchise QB's anyhow, in todays game you need the arm and the feet, e.g,Rodgers,Luck,Newton,RG3 ... the Mannings and Bradys are a dying breed.

Was Joe Montana a franchise QB? imo no... He was an excellent system QB with a great supporting cast, Marino was a franchise QB with no supporting cast.

I almost forgot... Weeden also knew that he would be the starting QB from day 1 simply from where he was picked in the draft. He took all the reps. Don't even try to compare Weeden's situation with Colt's, it's ubsurd.

@thenew23 said:

Hillis in 2010 with McCoy

270 carries, 1177 yds, 11 TDs

61 catches 477 yds, 2 TDs

Richardson in 2012 with Weeden

267 carries, 950 yds, 11 TDs

51 catches, 367 yds, 1 TD

So, Weeden got

227 less rushing yds

10 less catches

110 less receiving yards

1 less TD

I'm not comparing their talent or potential, just the stats. So, it's laughable b/c it's true???

Looks to me like Richardson got 227 less rushing yards, 10 less catches, 110 less receiving yards and 1 less TD.

Zombo said:

Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.

Joe Flacco current ring holder.

They all run like deer.

Zombo

Yes, and then you have a guy like RGIII, who could run like a deer- until he got his knee blown out- then a few para Olympics guys beat him in the 40 in a wheelchair race in the Orthopedic Ward.

@miktoxic said:

hoorta i have no problem with colt being gone. i have no problem with anyone getting the axe or getting acquired as long as they help the browns win.

my problem is with these FO guys )now and in the past) especially banner and to some degree chud who said (and it's documented):

1. we will not add another QB to the roster before training camp to compete

2. we will not get rid of any QB before training camp

i know biz is biz but shut your fucking hole if you know it's a bold faced lie, because people will remember what you said and will call you on it at a later date.

and knowing that he/they said those things and actually did both of those things without an explanation or a retraction from their earlier statements pisses me off. i just hate shady people. and banner is starting to look like one to me.

of course norv and chud and banner have way more experience than anyone here when it comes to player personnel decisions. all i ask is that they just take a course in public speaking. cuz a lot of these guys would have failed as politicians getting caught in the old 'mis-speak' game.

and as for the quiff versus doofus debates......glad i wasn't here for that.

Peace, Mik. I see where you're coming from in that regard. Stuff like that obviously bothers you a lot more than it does me. I happen to agree with you about Banner- looks like a weasel, and speaks with forked tongue. My feeling is circumstances can make a liar out of you. Heck, the whole pre-draft hoopla is nothing more than lies and deliberate misinformation- no?

I wouldn't call ditching Colt addition by subtraction, but the Browns are certainly no worse off @ qb now than they were a few months ago.

Zombo said:

Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.

Joe Flacco current ring holder.

They all run like deer.

Zombo

Flacco is more athletic than he gets credit for, but yes...good point. At the end of the day, being a QB is still about the arm.

@roach said:

Not me.

Weeden is a 1970's QB. He runs like he has a piano on his back. The game has passed by guys like Weeden. Nowadays, you can throw like Unitas or Namath, but you'd better be able to move better than them. Weeden is slow on foot and in the helmet. (But he has a cannon of an arm... LOL)

Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.

Joe Flacco current ring holder.

They all run like deer.

Zombo

@mark-o said:

Exactly...

All judgements on Weeden need to be put on hold till we see how he does this season.

Not me.

Weeden is a 1970's QB. He runs like he has a piano on his back. The game has passed by guys like Weeden. Nowadays, you can throw like Unitas or Namath, but you'd better be able to move better than them. Weeden is slow on foot and in the helmet. (But he has a cannon of an arm... LOL)