@miktoxic said:

Not quite.

At this level, any OL should be able to block anywhere, I'll agree. But there's a bunch of small factors that differentiate tackles from interior linemen. Physical attributes, lateral quickness, dominant handedness are all factors in setting up an offensive line. It's true that the differences are slight, but these slight differences can yield drastically different results.

There's a reason that they aren't lumped together come draft time.

@miktoxic said:

Where is Ghoolie when we need him to argue with you about picking offensive linemen?

@gftchris said:

yeah. i don't differentiate positions on the OL from guard to tackle etc. if you can block. you can block.

changing a guard to tackle could be a bit of a stretch but the vice versa would be a piece of cake. people love the glamour picks of WR and RBs and QBs. sure they win you the game. but if not for those guys on the line (both sides) you ain't doing shit.

ask tim couch.

@miktoxic said:

Chance Warmack after trading down, no problem. OG is clearly a need for us. But I was talking about the OT, Lane Johnson. We already have our LT, and Schwartz is doing very nicely at RT.

@gftchris said:

@miktoxic said:

Yep, I think that's it. If someone in the 10-14 region offers a trade including their second rounder I think you'll see us biting their hand off for it.

i'll bet a 6pack of hoegarten on it.

Zombo said:

I guess my definition is "did he do it for the Browns". He began producing so little for the Browns that they felt compelled to trade him...or at least they thought him dispensible enough to trade. He and Warren may have done "OK" elsewhere, but they each failed to do what we expected them to do here for the Browns. We/I expected Warren to be the second coming of Michael Dean Perry or Warren Sapp....he wasn't. And We/I expected Wimbley to be a 10-12 sack a year man for a number of years. At times he wasn't even half that.

@the-gipper said:

I guess it depends on what you want to call a bust. He was drafted with the 13th pick in the first round and he has 48.5 career sacks and has played seven seasons in the NFL, and been a starter thoughout all seven. He signed for five years $35 mil last year.

No he didn't fulfill the expectations of Browns fans when Savage drafted him, but he's had a decent career. If you start in the NFL for eight years I don't think you are a bust in the middle of the first round.

Courtney Brown had 19 sacks and was out of the league five years after being the #1 overall pick. That's a bust.

Zombo

Zombo said:

Well, I may go along with Warren who was a DT and supposed to plug up the middle....but Wimbley, no. He was brought here to be a pass rusher on the edge...and in his rookie season with 11 sacks it looked like he may have been the shit. But then, in the next 3 years he totalled 15.5 sacks, and I recall that he basically disappeared in many, many games.

@the-gipper said:

Gerard Warren wasn't drafted to be a pash rusher and Kam Wimbley wasn't really a bust.

But to your point, I've read that there isn't really a lot of differences in the positions as far bust rate goes. I'm not sure if CB would be considered any riskier of a top ten pick than other positions.

It may be a little safer in that if they aren't a great cover guy, they can still have a career as a safety. And if you are drafted as a tackle, you can always fall back into a decent career as a guard (Robert Gallery) ... but if you are draft as a pas rusher and you can't get to the QB ... you're done.

Zombo

I wonder what the "success rate" is for Defensive backs? Any one have any idea?

@thenew23 said:

Yea, OK, I understand going for the BPA rather than need. Maybe Lotulelei could be the BPA if he is still around at #6, but every service I have seen would have the choice of Eifert at #6 as a major reach.

I think what McShay may be claiming is that the Browns may in fact trade down....even do a double trade down like in '09 to take Eifert.....its just that he says that he cannot factor in trades in his mock draft.

So? You can't factor trades, yet you factor in major reaches that would only be viable with a trade? WTF kind of thinking is that?

I still think the Browns can go for a position of need....as long as the talent at that position fits the slot. If Milliner is not the answer, then maybe it is wise to take Ansah or Jordan.

Also, Walter Cherepinski from walterfootball.com has the Browns taking Star Lotulelei at #6...

I doubt either of these come true.