But he has a contract that rewards him for his physical talent, and part of a signing bonus up front.

That's pretty fair. If he screws it up, he's out a lot of money, and maybe a career.

The Browns were not in a position to gamble freely at that point, and I'm delighted they didn't;

Time will tell, eh?

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

And they should have to pay for being stupid.

I'm confused, are you a Cardinals fan?

@comeonman said:

I don't like doper problem children that destroy locker rooms, file a lawsuit if it bothers you so much. Cards were stupid for drafting him so high

I'm confused, are you a Cardinals fan?

@the-gipper said:

No you are confused. He gets his normally money per his draft slot and then a 650k ish signing bonus. 250k he gets up front. The other 400k he gets if he doesn't get suspended this season.

@harry-buffalo said:

Sounds like a resonably fair deal. He gets 250 K, plus 650K plus 400K. That is 1.3 mill. total for the year....which may be about right, I guess.

His agent gets most of the 250K up front. The Cards threw him that bone. Bu, that means essentially most of the rest of his contract is incentive.

@comeonman said:

and thats the gaurenteed money. He gets the other 400,000 plus if he doesn't miss any games this season due to suspension.

(whatever happened....I will simply apply a Shakespeare title: Much Ado About Nothing.)

@comeonman said:

What the hell did he do to you? Pretty classless thing to say. What player in their right mind would want to sign without some kind of guaranteed money? The Cards took a risk in drafting him but they drafted him high enough that you expect a certain kind of pay day. Say he goes out and gets careered in training camp or Preseason. Sean Spence is dealing with that right now, (making strong progress) he didn't make it out of the preseason. If the Cards weren't going to pay him someone would have so you can't fault the kid for wanting what every other draft pick selected in his round is entitled too, otherwise don't draft him that high.

*One word of advice; don't even try to tackle Trent Richardson, you'll die...

@hoorta said:

I like the architecture of Aspen. It has a coherent....fundamentally western feel about the architecture. Glitzy? Maybe.

I have been to Breckenridge, stayed a week there in fact.....which to me is just a wide spot on the road.

I do like the addition of Bar Harbor though.

And you mean the Million Dollar Cowboy Bar in Jackson....where the bar stools are saddles.

(for real Cowboys though you want to hang out at the Irma in Cody Wyo. Buffalo Bill built that and named it after his daughter.

I have stayed there for my brother's wedding....who was at one time a Wyoming cowboy.

@the-gipper said:

Yeah- relative to NYC, not too many towns qualify as "big". You have to go international to find bigger, and this list is pretty interesting- had no idea about some of those cities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population

Haven't been to all those US towns\cities, Gip. San Fran is OK, but not my cup of tea. Small\resort towns I agree with Mik- I'll take Telluride (or Breckenridge) over Aspen anytime. Aspen is too glitzy, and just stinks of money. I have to put Bar Harbor on my personal list, and 100% agree about Jackson Hole. The Cowboy Bar is a must stop when you're in town.

@miktoxic said:

Certainly my list is subjective. When I list "big" cities...I am taking the position that any city that has a major league team is "big".

Plus....re Boston...you can't just count the size of how far it takes to walk around downtown. You have to take the entire city....plus surrounding suburbs. (So, in a sense I would count Minneapolis/St. Paul as a single entity....though don't tell the people of those cities that...same with Tampa/St. Pete.

Never been to Telluride so I can't tell. (plus I am not going by just "good skiing", I don't ski...I basically take the whole package)

I have merely driven through Portsmouth NH...so have no basis to go one.

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I don't believe that's how it works. But they could put his "guaranteed money" is escrow, for him to

receive it at the end of his contract, if he could avoid getting involved with drugs etc for the duration.

"You can take the street punk out of the street, but you can't take the street out of the street punk." ???

Maybe he'll turn it around. ...Who was that rb that Rich heralded so often....

@the-gipper said:

been to most. by no means is boston big. worked a block from the state house south of the commons. i could walk from north to south boston in an hours lunch time. yes chicago is great. toronto (was?) one of the cleanest cities i've ever been too. san fran is cool, literally BUT the list has to be built upon one's likes and dislikes. like i've been to the south. was stationed in KY. been to NO (crawfish festival at lake ponchatrain is off the chains) but you can keep the heat and the bugs. portsmouth NH is one of the most vibrant beautiful cities i've ever been to.

and i'll take telluride CO over aspen any day. less fluff, more fun.

but i was bleesed to be born and raised in sandusky and even though i haven't been back in years i can still remember every country road and city street i used to drive down 30 years ago. cameo pizza on sundays with all the other browns fans is the shit!

@hoorta said:

I assume at one point in time I have published on here or in Barber Shop Talk my "Gipper's List" of best towns to visit...in 4 different categories:

Large Cities:

Chicago

Toronto

New Orleans

San Francisco

Boston

Medium size Cities:

Santa Fe

Santa Barbara

Savannah

Quebec City

Madison

Small towns:

Woodstock VT

Seaside Fla.

Wellsboro, PA

Chagrin Falls, Ohio

Cooperstown, NY

Resort towns:

Sedona, Ariz.

Taos, NM

Aspen, CO

Carmel, CA

Jackson Hole WY

Newport RI.

@miktoxic said:

Isn't just that Mik- been there once, have no great desire to go back. Nice place to live I suppose if you have a shit ton of money, and don't mind massive traffic jams. Like cramming the entire state of Ohio into one city. The upside is way up, the downside is way down. Personally, I'll take Chicago over NYC for a visit anytime.

@calfoxwc said:

a major reason for going back to ohio is the number of arbys and bob evans that are there. (man i miss that shit).

can't find a good heart valve cloggin joint in ny anymore. hell bloomberg (being jewish) is the biggest self help nazi on the east coast.

a 32oz pepsi? no sir. not here.

at the Robin Hood Inn. I think he was more of a Bob Evans guy.

@speedyd900rr said:

betcha jack lambert used to come here for brunch at ziggy's on 1st. you on the other hand would got to bob evans on 11th.