How, exactly, do the Steelers have "more experience" than the Browns WR? The only players on the roster other than rookies are their starters with 3 years (Brown, Sanders).

Plaxico Burress doesn't count -- he's just roster fodder at the age of 35.. and Cotchery is actually a candidate to be released, so his "experience" sure doesn't count.

1) Size of top 3 Browns WR

Gordon - 6'4 220

Little - 6'2 220

D.Nelson - 6'5 220

Steelers: Both Brown and Sanders are 5'10, 180.

2) Number of years -- Gordon has 1, Little has 2, Nelson has essentially 2 as well b/c last year he popped the ACL.

Antonio Brown's first year had exactly 16 catches, and he barely saw the field. Emmanuel's stats have been consistently underwhelming as the 3rd or 4th option - 28, 22, 44 catches in each year.

So.. that one year of 16 and 22 catches makes up for Gordon and Little both being significantly more gifted than their counterpart at Pitt, and starting the whole time? And when you add Nelson and Bess to the mix, giving the Browns 4 legit options at WR before you go to the TE, Pitt is still better?

I don't see it.

If you judge the WR without the QB, the Browns players are significantly better and should be at minimum #2.. if you look at the entire roster, Browns WR should be ranked #1 because Gordon is the equal of AJ Green.

Well, from what I have been able to tell, Your view is equivalent to that of the last dog in line on a sled team

Did you bother to read what he said: he said that TJ Ward is the best SS in the division....and that Polamalu is old and injured...but can make an occasional play Same as I said...so Ward stays #1. Taylor, maybe..he didn't like Graham that well...but he didn't like Taylor either, saying he was streaky, i.e. unreliable. Maybe what I should do is say that those two are tied for 3rd...and leave the #2 slot vacant.

As for who might "advance" it is more likely the rookies who advance. Elam, or McFadden, or Gipson, or Thomas or the like.

Like I said, I put them all on the bottom because of unprovenness. But they could prove themselves.

No, they don't. You're wrong.

None. You clearly didn't watch any games last year.. that's not an issue for him any more.

Smith is the most important receiver for the Ravens and Jones is a developing one. Boldin's loss is overrated in my view.

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Richardson will be better than Rice this year if he stays reasonably healthy. Take it to the bank.

Taylor Mays has god given ability and that's about it so we agree on that. One of the biggest underachievers in college football history and now he's a flop in the pros. Meanwhile, Polamalu is finished -- it's over for him.

Disagree with Gipper's assessment that Ravens have worst receiving corps in the division. How can you say that when they have Smith and Jones, both of whom are better than any Browns receiver in my opinion. Browns still need a premier wideout in my view and they should go after Lee next year if they can't get their franchise QB.

Tons and tons of people here would disagree with you on the Browns WR assessment. Why did I rate the Ravens WR corps last? Because they lost the main man in that corps: Boldin. Without them Smith and Jones may be just an old Western. (It was an old western btw). Without Boldin to be that rock, I am not sure those two roll. Same with Pittsburgh. Though many Steeler fans wish to underestimate the loss of Wallace....the guy was still a big downfield threat, and not having him may show that the guys they still have, Sanders and Brown, may not be all that. So maybe Unsympathetic is right.

I saw this last night so according to him you bump troy to one where he belongs and ike taylor to at least two. I also fully expect cortez allen to advance upward throughout the season but hes still under the radar.

Richardson will be better than Rice this year if he stays reasonably healthy. Take it to the bank.

Taylor Mays has god given ability and that's about it so we agree on that. One of the biggest underachievers in college football history and now he's a flop in the pros. Meanwhile, Polamalu is finished -- it's over for him.

Disagree with Gipper's assessment that Ravens have worst receiving corps in the division. How can you say that when they have Smith and Jones, both of whom are better than any Browns receiver in my opinion. Browns still need a premier wideout in my view and they should go after Lee next year if they can't get their franchise QB.

Tons and tons of people here would disagree with you on the Browns WR assessment. Why did I rate the Ravens WR corps last? Because they lost the main man in that corps: Boldin. Without them Smith and Jones may be just an old Western. (It was an old western btw). Without Boldin to be that rock, I am not sure those two roll. Same with Pittsburgh. Though many Steeler fans wish to underestimate the loss of Wallace....the guy was still a big downfield threat, and not having him may show that the guys they still have, Sanders and Brown, may not be all that. So maybe Unsympathetic is right.

Gipper you are such a self righteous wind bag. I've tried to appreciate some of your posts and your insights but the more I read between the lines the more I understand that you're pretty damn clueless when it comes to football. My assessment also includes the current Browns. You're stuck in the 1950's when you were a young buck and haven't grown much from that point. As far as Jackson is concerned he's a solid inside linebacker but he's far from best in the division. Hell he's not even top 10 in the AFC.

No, they don't. You're wrong.

None. You clearly didn't watch any games last year.. that's not an issue for him any more.

Steelers receivers compares very favorably with the Browns receiving corps

Gotta put Robertson over Maualauga. Rey Rey sucked last year, Craig Robertson had a damn good year for being the nickel linebacker.

How, exactly, do the Steelers have "more experience" than the Browns WR? The only players on the roster other than rookies are their starters with exactly 2 years of experience each, Sanders and Brown. Plaxico Burress doesn't count -- he's just roster fodder at the age of 35.

1) Size of top 3 Browns WR

Gordon - 6'4 220

Little - 6'2 220

D.Nelson - 6'5 220

2) Number of years -- Gordon has 1, Little has 2, Nelson has essentially 2 as well b/c last year he popped the ACL.

Anyone who thinks a Steelers WR is actually better than Gordon needs their head examined - Gordon is an all-pro, period.

There is some serious homer going on with the above. First and foremost Richardson is not better than Rice. Schwartz is not the best RT in the division either. There is more than a slight edge at WR after the Bengals and even then all they have is AJ Green at receiver. Sanu is still unproven and the other guys have done basically nothing. Corey Graham also is not better than Ike Taylor and you are bat sh.it crazy to put Taylor Mays or Ward ahead of Polamalu. The guy is a first ballot hall of famer and was healthy and as disruptive as ever to close out the year last season. Jackson over Timmons is also insane. Based on what exactly? Racking up a bunch of tackles on a really damn mediocre LB corp? I still can't believe you ranked Taylor Mays ahead of Polamalu. Do you watch the Bengals at all? He's a physical freak but he's about as dumb as they come. I can't think of one play all of last year that stood out with him on the field. Sheard has also never played OLB and Mingo is as rookie just like Jones. I also don't care that DeCastro barely saw the field, his pedigree alone puts him over the putz Luavao who was a borderline turnstile last year and Kruger is not a high profile name. He's a two down linebacker that was the top pass rusher in a really weak free agent pool. I know I just came in here and shit all over this post. It was well put together but completely bat shit crazy in parts. If you're going to make what I'm assuming is supposed to be a objective breakdown take off the homer shades.

So? You think Timmons is better now than Woodley and Foote? So be it.

But all that does is remove Woodley and Foote from their #1 and #2 positions.

I now put Woodley at #3 behind Suggs and Kruger, and Foote #2 behind Maualaga.

Timmons stays where he is. He only looks good because of the quality players around him.

I mean, you just made an argument that shot yourself in the foot.

"Jackson makes a lot of tackles because the other LBs were no good." All the more credence to rate him high.

Do you give any thought to some of the things you say?

I remeber the last time this board was so down on the steelers and high on the browns. They played the cardinals in the super bowl.

I already have bets with terms not defined with both mik and erie. You wanna lose too?

Timmons has been the best for at least two seasons now. Why are you taking my advice? If you make a thread of this type shouldnt you yourself know? Hes a top ten mlb. Jackson is not, still cant believe you rated him first. He racked up those tackles behind that above average d line because the rest of your lbs were awful.

Uhmm, do you forget that Flacco is the Super Bowl MVP...and now the highest paid player in football....and that a lot of people think that BR has taken too much punishment and has lost some of his whatever.

But why are you arguing with me on this? I ranked him higher. Are you asking me to pull that rank?

And you are definitely living in the past about Polamalu.

3-4 years ago, maybe you are right. No one is game planning for him now.

He didn't even play in half his team's games. He had all of one int. last year. He made 29 whole tackles. The old gray mare ain't what she used to be. Its just that a donkey like you needs a two by four across the forehead to see that fact.

So, maybe that is true now that you are going to have a rookie starting for you. But when you had Foote/Woodley and Harrison am I not correct in thinking the Timmons was not considered the lighter weight among them?

By all means....tell me how you rank the Steeler linebackers among the current crop.

I am more than willing to take your advice and demote any one of the others.

Gipper when you say things like timmons was the worst steeler linebacker you lose all credibility.