database....for use for political gain.

Big, very serious trouble our country is headed for:

We are now in that big, very serious trouble. The Obamao regime is out of control.

The "big brother" of "1984" is starting to look like not so much fiction, eh?

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/glenn-greenwald-us-privacy-92400.html#ixzz2VYWMfqp7

the FISA court ruled the feds overstepped their bounds, and broke the law.

Holder and Obamao are classifying that report, and trying to keep it secret.

Big, very serious trouble. and, perhaps, this is just the beginning....?

Obamao has just said that email spying doesn't apply to Americans living in America.

But I look at a lot of things going on and it paints a 1984 kind of picture. The dramatic AP overreach on all emails?

Going after Rosen's PARENT's emails and all? The IRS asking privacy invading questions, demands for donor lists,

then giving those lists to liberal political opponent groups for use in potiical battles? Lists of gun owners...given to the NY Times

to publish?

Lists of politically conservative groups to be targeted? 11 lib groups vs hundreds of conservative groups targeted by the IRS?

I remember the two attorneys in Minn. that went public with warnings of prosecution for saying "untrue" things about Obamao.

The underhanded "Fast and Furious" scandal, to create "evidence" that more gun control is needed? The cover-up of Benghazi,

to hide what was going on there and/or keep the "terrorism is over because of Obamao" narrative going? This gov will be able to

datamine from the phone, internet, and ...smart meters on your house. And by drones all over the U.S.. And Obamaocare - IRS enforced, government information ...to be used how? To intimidate any patriotic group again? And this food thing in schools. And the propaganda, pro Obamao

...in schools. OH, btw, 10 million Hispanics will be able to get ...Obamaocare. The Great Giveaway for Permanent Political Power...sounds like?

The exploding of our national debt, after Obamao called Bush "Unpatriotic" for the debt?

The old "I will need a 'civilian security force, as well funded and armed as our own military" whatever the exact quote was?

Anyways, it only takes one corrupt president to abuse all this information. We have one of those now. Obamao says to actually listen to phone calls, etc... they will still need a federal judge to okay it. And, there is still a FISA court. And how many fed judges

are out there, that will do Obamao and co.'s political bidding? It's a huge political movement - and it doesn't

base it's rights on our Constitution.

Anyways, the idea that they are putting ALL AMERICANS under surveillance as a group... is very worrisome. Americans can now be targeted for their political opinions Obamao and co. don't like. Economics can be used as a political weapon. Just look at the Cloward-Piven philosophy.

So can information be used as a political weapon. And those seem to be pointed at... all of us, especially if we disagree with them.

As I noted earlier, when we first learned of these programs during the Bush years, the right - and the people in here - were furious ...at the New York Times. They were fully behind the program.

They can call up every key stroke you've ever pressed, everything you've ever sent over the internet, with the speed of a Google search. It's all being recorded. They only need a warrant to come and take your hard drive for the stuff you haven't sent over the internet - Word documents and the like.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

At least they are doing this shit with us knowing.

Social Security numbers are not a violation of the 4th Amendment.

@mld-woody said:

Have you read the bill of rights? Dude you are smarter than this. Listen to Heck, you are missing the point. It's a blatant, violation of your rights. Who the fuck cares what you are talking about dude. It your rights as a whole, not because YOU are not talking about terrorism or Bob is talking about killing someone. First the 4th amendment then what. If you are not outraged, you have to be an idiot.

They are doing this to find offenders. They need probable cause.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

Actually you can look at people in communist countries like Russia having more privacy than "freedom loving" Americans. The IRS and Social Security are agruably violations of the 4th amendment right to secure our papers and effects...by that 9 digit number we all are unconstitutionally forced to possess, the government knows how much money we have, how much we make, where we invest, where we work, what business we are in, how old we are, how much gold we own, if our house is paid for or not, who we borrow from, how many children we have, where we eat, how much land we own, how many houses we own, who we donate to...but nobody looks at that. The right to secure our papers? Riiiiight. Abolish the IRS.

Not trying to hijack the thread, just sayin.

And your calls are different from your emails how? Or how are your calls different from your Skype chats? They've got all of that. All of it.

Would you?

"I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care if the government records all of my phone conversations and every email, text, video I send, and keeps them in a database for future investigations."

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

So forget the part about our houses and papers and effects. Forget the "unreasonable" part, the part about warrants, the part about probably cause, and the part where you have to get a judge to swear off on it, or the part about describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Other than everything is the goddamn 4th Amendment, this sounds perfectly legal.

But hey, it's okay, because they're not "targeting" you.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

I'm with Kosar. "I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care if the government records everything I do on the phone/internet?" Really? Yikes.

Are they recording everything? I never said I don't care what they do, I just don't think this is a giant outrage. If it was expanded then we could talk.

@kosar_for_president said:

Stay tuned for the "well, they all lie" defense.

The fact is that this fraud has a compilation of lies that far exceed his predecessors...and the media never calls him out on it.

@kosar_for_president said:

Ahhhh, the old, "well if I am not doing anything wrong, who cares" adage. Dude my father, brother, aunt, Die Hard and other people have been fighting this totalitarian bullshit for a century. It doesn't matter that you are doing nothing "wrong". Pure violation of OUR rights not just YOURS numb nuts.

Its not like they're removing freedom of speech or remote accessing everyone's computer.

More lies from this asshole.

@mld-woody said:

Ahhhh, the old, "well if I am not doing anything wrong, who cares" adage. Dude my father, brother, aunt, Die Hard and other people have been fighting this totalitarian bullshit for a century. It doesn't matter that you are doing nothing "wrong". Pure violation of OUR rights not just YOURS numb nuts.