<![CDATA[Also Ran Qbs? #mcnabb?]]>Donovan McNabb retired, officially, yesterday having come short of his obvious goal of winning a Super Bowl. He appeared in 1 SB, and also 5 NFC title games. Is he a HOF QB, or an also ran? How does he compare to other QBs that have fallen short

Here are the QBs who are NOT part of this discussion....why? Because they have won a Super Bowl:

Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, Elway, Aikman, Staubach, Roethlisberger, Starr, Warner, P. Manning, E. Manning, Plunkett, Young, Stabler, Unitas, Theisman, Griese, Simms, Dawson, Rodgers, Brees, Williams, Rypien, Brad Johnson, Dilfer, McMahon, Dawson, Namath, Hostetler, Simms, Favre, Flacco.

(though, you can suggest if he is more worthy than any of these guys

Also, not part of this discussion are these guys:

Jim Kelly

Dan Marino

Fran Tarkenton

Dan Fouts

Warren Moon

Sonny Jurgenson

as these guys are all in the HOF though they did not win a SB.

Plus any pre Super Bowl HOF QBs are not listed I am restricting my conversation to those who played post 1966 mainly. The following is a list of QBs who have either won at least 3 postseason games in that time, or who have played in at least 6.

The question is, which ones, if any, have better HOF credentials than Donovan McNabb?:

Jake Delhomme 5-3 postseason record 0-1 in SBs 1-1 in NFC title games

Craig Morton, 5-5 postseason, 0-2 in SBs, 2-1 in NFC/AFC title games (I will abbreviate here out)

Danny White 5-5, no SBs, 0-3

Mark Brunell 5-5, no SBs, 0-1

Steve McNair 5-5, 0-1 in SBs, 1-1

Ron Jaworski 4-4, 0-1, 1-0

Dan Pastorini, 3-2, no SB, 0-2

Boomer Esiason 3-2, 0-1 in SB, 1-0

Bernie Kosar 3-4, no SB, 0-3

Phillip Rivers 3-4, no SB, 0-1

Randall Cunningham 3-6, no SB, no conf. title game

Neil O'Donnell, 3-4, 0-1 in SB, 1-1

Drew Bledsoe, 3-3, 0-1 in SB, 1-0

Rich Gannon, 4-3, 0-1 in SB, 1-1

Tony Eason, 3-2, 0-1 in SB, 1-0

Stan Humphries, 3-3, 0-1 in SB, 1-0

Kerry Collins, 3-4, 0-1 in SB, 1-1

Mike Tomscak, 3-2, no SB, no Conf.tite game

Dave Kreig, 3-6, no SB, 0-1

Vince Ferragamo 3-3, 0-1 in SB, 1-1

Matt Hasselback 5-6, 0-1 in SB, 1-0

David Woodley, 3-2, 0-1 in SB, 1-0

Jay Schroeder, 3-2, no SB, 0-1

Ken Anderson, 2-4, 0-1 in SB, 1-0

Jake Plummer, 2-4, no SB, 0-1

Jeff Garcia, 2-4, no SB, no conf. title game

Billy Kilmer 2-5, 0-1 in SB, 1-0

Mark Sanchez, 4-2, no SB, 0-2

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/26420/also-ran-qbs-mcnabbRSS for NodeThu, 01 Oct 2026 20:04:25 GMTTue, 30 Jul 2013 16:21:11 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Also Ran Qbs? #mcnabb? on Thu, 01 Aug 2013 01:41:32 GMT]]>McNabb isn't getting into the Hall. As has been said many times, it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.

However, worms everywhere are rejoicing that he's retiring.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/346202https://brownsboard.com/post/346202Thu, 01 Aug 2013 01:41:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Also Ran Qbs? #mcnabb? on Wed, 31 Jul 2013 21:15:57 GMT]]>If you put Mcnanny in the hall, it lessens it for everyone else IMO

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@comeonman said:

sure they do

Well, some do. 3/4ths of them are dead.

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@the-gipper said:

Have you seen the list of people who HAVE won it? The answer is: they feel honored:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates

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@comeonman said:

agree completely. All these other greats are going to basically be slapped in the face when you start putting "above average" guys in the hall. How do think all the other Nobel prize winners felt when fucking Barack Obama won it. Same way I see it

Have you seen the list of people who HAVE won it? The answer is: they feel honored:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates

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Zombo said:

None of them.

Zombo

agree completely. All these other greats are going to basically be slapped in the face when you start putting "above average" guys in the hall. How do think all the other Nobel prize winners felt when fucking Barack Obama won it. Same way I see it]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/346168https://brownsboard.com/post/346168Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:01:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Also Ran Qbs? #mcnabb? on Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:22:45 GMT]]>No worries partner just trying to add to the convo

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@marcus said:

Randall Cunningham did play in an NFC Title Game with the Vikings in 1998 (the infamous Gary Anderson miss)

I was trying to piece these stats together from different sources, so I may have missed a few.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/346160https://brownsboard.com/post/346160Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:07:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Also Ran Qbs? #mcnabb? on Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:43:43 GMT]]>Randall Cunningham did play in an NFC Title Game with the Vikings in 1998 (the infamous Gary Anderson miss)

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@the-gipper said:

What about Anderson?

Nope, very good QB, not a HOF.

Zombo

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Zombo said:

None of them.

Zombo

What about Anderson?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/346031https://brownsboard.com/post/346031Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:22:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Also Ran Qbs? #mcnabb? on Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:20:28 GMT]]>

@the-gipper said:

And who should go in first: McNabb..or Plunkett, Stabler, Theisman?

None of them.

Zombo

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/346029https://brownsboard.com/post/346029Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:20:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Also Ran Qbs? #mcnabb? on Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:16:33 GMT]]>And who should go in first: McNabb..or Plunkett, Stabler, Theisman?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/346027https://brownsboard.com/post/346027Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:16:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Also Ran Qbs? #mcnabb? on Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:12:46 GMT]]>I kinda think you are right Z. Here are the QBs who so far have not been inducted into the HOF who have had the most productive careers. A few are obviously not eligible yet. These are the PFR career production numbers:

Favre 254

P. Manning 235

Brady 178

Ken Anderson 161

Brees 160

John Hadl 144

Vinny Testaverde 142

John Brodie 141

Dave Kreig 138

Donovan McNabb 138

Drew Bledsoe 137

Jim Hart 136

Boomer Esiason 135

Randall Cunningham 134

Roman Gabriel 132

Steve McNair 126

Rich Gannon 120

Mark Brunell 120

Phil Simms 118

Craig Morton 117

So, you can see where he fits on total career productivity. (Yes, for this, longevity helps some guys...like Vinny)

FYI, McNabb's productivity stats are actually better than the following: Bart Starr, Aikman, Jim Kelly, Van Brocklin, Staubach.

Another interesting note here: Ken Anderson is #2 on the list of most productive career players who are not in the HOF, yet who are eligible. Jim Marshall DE is #1.

I for one would probably advocate that Anderson is more HOF worthy than McNabb. Then there is Hadl, who actually won an AFL title.

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Zombo said:

He was a a very good QB on a very good team. But he wasn't great.

He was never "the best" at his position for a single period of time.

He didn't lead his team to a championship.

He never threw for 4,000 yards in a season.

Completion percentage under 60% in an era where 60% was average.

His "good years" basically spanned the decade 2000-2009.

But if I am picking an "all decade team" for those years, he is riding the pine behind:

1. Manning

2. Brady

3. Warner

He would be fourth best, and I think you draw the HOF line after the top three.

And then you have Ben and Eli, who came in the middle of the decade and have two rings a piece, and Brees who came into prominence later in the decade, has a ring and still going strong.

There's six contemporaries who will have better resumes coming Hall voting time.

I think McNabb joins McNair in the "very good, but not Hall of Famers" category, although I would have him above McNair.

Zombo

I agree..McNabb never did anything for Me..I thought he was just slightly better than average. But always found a way to choke in the big games...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/346022https://brownsboard.com/post/346022Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:50:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Also Ran Qbs? #mcnabb? on Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:03:52 GMT]]>He was a a very good QB on a very good team. But he wasn't great.

He was never "the best" at his position for a single period of time.

He didn't lead his team to a championship.

He never threw for 4,000 yards in a season.

Completion percentage under 60% in an era where 60% was average.

His "good years" basically spanned the decade 2000-2009.

But if I am picking an "all decade team" for those years, he is riding the pine behind:

1. Manning

2. Brady

3. Warner

He would be fourth best, and I think you draw the HOF line after the top three.

And then you have Ben and Eli, who came in the middle of the decade and have two rings a piece, and Brees who came into prominence later in the decade, has a ring and still going strong.

There's six contemporaries who will have better resumes coming Hall voting time.

I think McNabb joins McNair in the "very good, but not Hall of Famers" category, although I would have him above McNair.

Zombo

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