It's not like we don't have a couple borderline characters on the team, so one more would have been fine with me... especially at such a position of need. But I thought a 3rd was too high a price for the apparent risk.

Mathieu reminds me a lot of Finnegan... mega-irritating, chip-on-his-shoulder, over achiever who has game speed that bely his measurables and hits like a truck.

pleez stay healthy so we don't have to hear about tebow for another season.

@miktoxic said:

MIK, ESPN can blow it out their a$$. I've had it with their frontrunner fixation. This guy has gotten more press than all the other 34 third rounders combined- Hell, he's gotten more air time than most FIRST round picks, including our own Barkevious Mingo. Fair and balanced? Like hell. Same as RG III has gotten more preseason run than Luck, Tannehill, Kaepernic, and Wilson combined.

BTW, I am not a Badger hater- just a Badger skeptic- he doesn't play for the Browns, let it go. Guy could turn his life around, and be a great football player- he could just as easily turn into another pain in the ass Pacman Jones. History says in 3 years 80% of these guys will be out of the league, so I'm not getting all excited-yet about one missed opportunity. Incidentally, McFadden graded out higher than the Badger.

i just brought up the fact that this kid is being talked a lot about in preseason. does that mean he'll be the next ronnie lott or deion sanders (depending on position)? no.

BUT does it mean that we have a national sports media talking about him yet again today? was brian dawkins a punk? no. and yet he calls HB a ball hawk. playmaker. want him on my team. etc. etc.

i'll stop now. i don't want to post a video of today's espn's first take episode with their comments about him..............

it might throw all you haters over the edge.

@miktoxic said:

Mik,

If you put an opinion out here, you can get get argued it's not a good idea. Heck, PG gets blasted on a regular basis. I haven't said boy- that's dumbass taking HB, just that it's risky. We're debating a freaking third round pick, not T-Rich and Weeden, as opposed to Tannehill and Martin. Maybe Honey Badger will turn into the next Ronnie Lott. That's about as good a chance as Charlie Frye had of turning into the next Joe Montana.

@miktoxic said:

Here is where I am coming from: You may be absolutely correct. This guy could be the cat's meow...and maybe your opinion of him will be justified.....but...so what? There were 355 players selected in this last draft...but only what? Five that were taken by the Browns.

I guess we could do a "what if" scenario about all of those other 350 players. Honey Badger is just one of them.

I mean, we could probably do the "we shoulda taken so and so instead of Mingo" at some point, or "we shoulda taken so and so instead of McFadden" or

"we shoulda taken so and so instead of trading that pick for a future draft choice".

We can, and many will probably say those things. I am not disparaging your evaluation of the kid...it is just that such a thing is counterproductive....like someone else here was lamenting "Damn, we shoulda taken Ben Roethlisberger instead of K2 back in 2004" Well, in hindsight, perhaps. But who can live on regrets?

@miktoxic said:

here we go again, hey blacko?

there have been many other none interest threads thrown up here during the most mundane moments of the preseason and because i happen to think the kid will be a good player in the NFL and state that in this thread, i'm a parrot?

fuck it. you all can suck my dick.

He very well may be a good player in the NFL. I'm only busting stones cause you appear to be banging your chest for an NFC west rookie after one preseason game. Hard to be the talk of the preseason after 1/4 of the games have been played.

@miktoxic said:

i guess i should have wrapped it up in a nice bow and called the thread 'players getting recognition this preseason'.

then all you nazi haters would have shut the fuck up.

that's all right. we'll see who has the last laugh. and as you and i both know. none of us here let anything go with out a swift kick to the kidneys as a parting shot.

why don't you spend some time working on getting the tavern ready for the game thursday nite or are you too busy trying to unload some sink-hole properties?

Now, that is some good shit right there.

We are almost ready for the regular season.

Z

-- I am fucking punching the first Dolphin fan through the door in the mouth

@choco said:

here we go again, hey blacko?

there have been many other none interest threads thrown up here during the most mundane moments of the preseason and because i happen to think the kid will be a good player in the NFL and state that in this thread, i'm a parrot?

fuck it. you all can suck my dick.

Do you always parrot what others say, or do you have any thoughts or opinions of your own?

then all you nazi haters would have shut the fuck up.

that's all right. we'll see who has the last laugh. and as you and i both know. none of us here let anything go with out a swift kick to the kidneys as a parting shot.

why don't you spend some time working on getting the tavern ready for the game thursday nite or are you too busy trying to unload some sink-hole properties?

Because Quinn actually played for the Browns.

Zomboner

-- Oh look this third round idiot safety the Cardinals drafted is having a great August!

i wrote this thread on the day that one, two, if not four of the best football writers said that "so far, the talk of the preseason is....".

i wasn't saying he was the second coming of christ. that he could walk on water. all i was saying WAS it would have been nice to pick up this guy cheap as a compliment to haden. that's my opinion.

god knows we are all so correct here that no one can ever challenge another browns' fan covet of a nfl rookie prospect.

yeah. i liked blackmon and he's turned out to be a disgrace (so far). i also liked claiborne who got beat every down and looked liked a rookie last year under rob ryan.

BUT i also like doug martin as a second pick in the year we took TR @3.

no wonder GMs get fired every year for taking players that don't pan out.

stand in line? for who shep, brady quinn? mark sanchez?

you can all laugh at me when (after the line of scrimmage) guys are running free for big gains and big pass plays.

if that doesn't happen and our secondary plays lights out....i have no prob eating crow.

i've done it many times before on this board.

@miktoxic said:

of course you all are right and i'm wrong.

just like when i said picking TR @ 3 was a reach. just like i said one of our OL would go down in preseason. just like when i said holmgren would be a cancer to this org.

damn. seems to me like i'm right on point.

and yes, we will see how HB does at S (which is a mistake in my mind...should stay at CB) this year.

how much he does better than skrine?

anybody?

Good lord mik, your own the verge of going full blown Ghoolie for the honey badger.

@sisky-fringo said:

I was comparing draft slots- and the Badger was drafted as a CB. Say what? Too slow to play CB in the NFL?

@miktoxic said:

just like petersen doesn't fit with the cards. yeah they just NOW have one of the best backfields on defense in the NFL.

Mik, ask the Eagles how having a great defensive secondary worked out. And as was pointed out- you're going to say that after ONE preseason game? Got a name for you Ben Gay.

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How is that? Peterson was a spectacular talent. He isn't small, like hb. He played most all of the games

his three years in college. Peterson was never a character problem, was he? What kind of analogy is that?

Peterson would be a fit with any NFL team, But he wasn't there for the Browns; Arizona drafted Peterson at 5 overall.

The Browns had the 6th pick, and then traded down.

What the? The Browns didn't have the option of taking a chance on hb. They had to make hay in that draft elsewhere.

I believe the only reason Arizona took the chance on hb, is because they had Peterson, who also came from LSU.

Come on, man. Hb isn't worth the thread.

I mean what would be a more perfect fit for the city of Cleveland. A city built on the have nots,blue collar... transitions perfectly to this dude.

That's why any fan with a moderate understanding of the human psyche knows Skrine is a true Brown, scrappy,relentless, 6th round forced into starting job. He'll develop and he'll be a true Brown.

Can't blame the Browns for not drafting Mathieu, and not for the Marijuana smoking, more of where his head is at. But it would have made a great story if they had, and he would have made for a great Brown given the proper tutelage.

What have YOU SEEN that leads you to this conclusion? Just soaking up national media then? Yeah....those guys are always right. You should be this gullible at your age.

@calfoxwc said:

just like petersen doesn't fit with the cards. yeah they just NOW have one of the best backfields on defense in the NFL.