@gftchris said:

I wouldn't take either before round 5 with a hope that they become a starting QB. It doesn't matter how good Miller may or may not do this year, he gets injuries almost every single game. He isn't someone you want to spend a high draft pick on. Johnny Football also thinks his actual name in fucking Johnny Football and his ego is too huge to be a starter in the NFL. I mean he took money for auto graphs after winning the Heisman, keeps getting in trouble with alcohol related incidents, and he got pulled after only playing the 3rd quarter of the Rice game for being an asshole.

@the-gipper said:

Don't trust QBs from bigger schools?

Would you say these are not "big schools":

Michigan...Tom Brady

Tennessee...Peyton Manning

Purdue...Drew Brees

Auburn...Cam Newton

Boston College...Matt Ryan

Georgia...Matt Stafford

Stanford...Andrew Luck

Oklahoma...Sam Bradford

USC...Carson Palmer

NC St.....Phillip Rivers

Mississippi...Eli Manning

Wisconsin....Russell Wilson

Oklahoma St....Weeden

For every BR that comes out of Miami, Oh., or ever Colin Kaepernick that comes out of Nevada-Reno, there are 3-4 starting NFL QBs that come from the power conference schools.

The only schools from the list I would consider to be big name schools are USC, Oklahoma, and to a slightly lesser extent Wisconsin and Michigan. How many teams did you just mention are constantly in the top 10-15 for recruits? When was the last time said teams contended for a national championship and if these played for one recently what team didn't immediately drop off the face of the earth when their QB went to the NFL.

Purdue, NC State, Mississippi, and BC are as likely to put out a top QB prospect as Miami OH is. Auburn and Wisconsin put out good QB's who were with their teams for only one season.

Granted they are playing Ohio U but Teddy still made some pretty nice throws. Will be interesting to see what he does against some top tier teams later in the season.

If we do go after him I just don't want to mortage our future on him like Washington did with RG3. Too much to give up and too much uncertainity.

@the-gipper said:

Right, it's not like you can't get great QBs out of great colleges - obviously, the best high school players sign with the best colleges and do sometimes end up being the top guys in the NFL. But you have to be a bit more cautious to make sure you get what you think you're getting.

@gftchris said:

OK, sure. To a point yes. I think the one that that can definitely be said is that USC QBs are universally overrated. Mainly because they are THE pro QB in a way in the second largest media market in the nation....but Leinert/Sanchez/Barkley all are overrated. Only Carson Palmer, somewhat, lived up to his billing

@hunt-daddy said:

Honestly I am not sure where you get your thinking. A decent QB can come from just about anywhere. Here are the schools where Hall of Fame QBs have come from:

UCLA...2 Aikman/Waterfield

Oregon...2 Van Brocklin/Fouts

Alabama...2 Namath/Starr

Purdue...2 Dawson/Griese...could have another with Brees

Duke...2 Jurgenson/Parker

Michigan...Friiedman...will have another with Brady

TCU...Baugh

Regis Colleg...Herber

Columbia...Luckman

Kentucky...Blanda

La. Tech...Bradshaw

Stanford...Elway

Northwestern...Graham

Miami, Fla...Kelly

Texas....Layne

Pitt...Marino

Notre Dame...Montana

Washington...Moon

Navy...Staubach

Georgia...Tarkenton

LSU...Tittle

Louisville...Unitas

BYU...Young

Big schools, small schools, etc. I will admit that particulary Oklahoma and Ohio St. have been more traditionally RB, rather than QB schools.

But, I mean, the one school in Ohio that might produce a HOF QB could be Miami, O. not Ohio St. (it already has produced 1 POTUS to -0- for OSU

@the-gipper said:

Was on my phone this morning and couldn't give a good idea of what I mean. The guys I consider of this list to be from smaller, non traditional power schools are Matt Ryan, Kolb, Cutler, Dalton, Weeden, Romo, Stafford, Rodgers, Schaub, Luck, Gabbert, Alex Smith, Tannehill, Brees, Eli, Vick, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Wilson (most of his time was at NC State), Kaepernick, Freeman, Locker, and Griffin.

I'd almost put Manning in there just because Manning was running that offense and Tennessee is hit or miss on being a power. Back then they were phenomenal, but now they're not so much. I'd almost put Newton in there as well. Without Newton, Auburn has been a pretty mediocre team for the better part of a decade (04 as an obvious exception). Most QBs from schools like Oklahoma, USC, Miami, Florida, Florida State, LSU, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, etc. just don't pan out. The QBs I trust the most are the ones that go to a school like Georgia or Stanford. They have some talent around them so they can show of their skills, but they're not overwhelmed with 5 star recruits every year that can make a mediocre QB look good.

Why I like Bridgewater so much? He plays for Louisville, a team that is solid and can usually put together 7-5 seasons and play in a bowl game, but you put a QB like Teddy in there and they immediately jump up to the Sugar Bowl and dominate a really good, one loss Florida team. Plus he has a good head on his shoulders unlike so many players.

Only USC has 2 with Sanchez and Palmer, the other schools are:

Boston College...Matt Ryan

Delaware...Flacco

Houston...Kolb

Auburn...Newton

Vanderbilt...Cutler

TCU...Dalton

Okla. St....Weeden

E. Illinois...Romo

Tennessee...P. Manning

Georgia...Stafford

Cal....Rodgers

Virginia...Schaub

Stanford...Luck

Missouri...Gabbert

Utah....Alex Smith

Texas A&M...Tannehill

Fla. St....Ponder

Michigan...Brady

Purdue....Brees

Ole Miss. E. Manning

LSU....Flynn

Va. Tech...Vick

Miami, Oh. Roethlisberger

NC St. ...Rivers

Wisconsin...Wilson

Nevada...Kaepernick

Oklahoma...Bradford

Kansas St....Freeman

Washington...Locker

Baylor....Griffin

@tour2ma said:

If he's as good as everyone says, wherever you feel like it.

On Clowney...

He has been an awesome DE in a 4-3, but where do you play him in a 3-4???

@the-gipper said:

Don't trust QBs from bigger schools?

Would you say these are not "big schools":

Michigan...Tom Brady

Tennessee...Peyton Manning

Purdue...Drew Brees

Auburn...Cam Newton

Boston College...Matt Ryan

Georgia...Matt Stafford

Stanford...Andrew Luck

Oklahoma...Sam Bradford

USC...Carson Palmer

NC St.....Phillip Rivers

Mississippi...Eli Manning

Wisconsin....Russell Wilson

Oklahoma St....Weeden

For every BR that comes out of Miami, Oh., or ever Colin Kaepernick that comes out of Nevada-Reno, there are 3-4 starting NFL QBs that come from the power conference schools.

Georgia? Yea they're a big school in a big conference, but they're not one of the elite programs that is in the hunt every year. The reason they've been in it the last few years is quarterbacking. Stafford and Murray are pretty good qbs. In between those two qbs Georgia wasn't in BCS bowl games and playing for the SEC Championship.

You do have your exceptions though. Brady at Michigan, Palmer at USC, and even though he hasn't done much in the NFL, I'd put Sam Bradford from Oklahoma in that category.

I guess most bigger schools just run gimmicky offenses. Give me a guy from a pro style offense any day.

@hunt-daddy said:

Don't trust QBs from bigger schools?

Would you say these are not "big schools":

Michigan...Tom Brady

Tennessee...Peyton Manning

Purdue...Drew Brees

Auburn...Cam Newton

Boston College...Matt Ryan

Georgia...Matt Stafford

Stanford...Andrew Luck

Oklahoma...Sam Bradford

USC...Carson Palmer

NC St.....Phillip Rivers

Mississippi...Eli Manning

Wisconsin....Russell Wilson

Oklahoma St....Weeden

For every BR that comes out of Miami, Oh., or ever Colin Kaepernick that comes out of Nevada-Reno, there are 3-4 starting NFL QBs that come from the power conference schools.

XxDaBuckeyexX said:

Yes, and my post implied that I agreed with you. (And who knows, if RGIII can't stay healthy, RGIII may not end up being as good as people think RGIII should be.....and maybe, in fact, Miller could actually end up being better than RGIII.

Maybe.

@hunt-daddy said:

This kid has his head on right. He will graduate from UL at the end of this year. Somewhere along the way he has listened to a mentor who has kept him on the straight and narrow. He would have been top QB selected in 2013 draft had he come out.

@mld-woody said:

I think McCarron has a chance to be good, but unfortunately Alabama's office since Saban has been there puts QB's as 'game managers'. All i know is he looked FANTASTIC in the title game, albeit against an extremely overrated Notre Dame team.

@the-gipper said:

Miller is listed at 6'2" 215. Gardner is 6'4" 204.

OK, so Gardner= Byron Leftwich

I never said Miller was bigger than Gardner or as good as RGIII. I was simply saying that Miller is big enough and that he's tons better than Gardner.

Miller= RGIII

XxDaBuckeyexX said:

Miller is listed at 6'2" 215. Gardner is 6'4" 204.

OK, so Gardner= Byron Leftwich

Miller= RGIII

@mld-woody said:

Braxton is coming back. He's got a lot to work on. Gardner will come back too. Gardner at least has that prototypical NFL QB size.

At least Braxton is good. Also, Braxton is bigger than Manziel and RGIII. Supposedly Braxton has made a lot of progress on his throwing mechanics and footwork this offseason as he spent a couple weeks with QB guru George Whitfield. Make no mistake about it, Miller will be in New York for the Heisman presentation.