All 3 of those guys Have had a coaching change and it didn't make a difference. They all played at a high level regardless.

The saints had their water boy as the defensive Coordinator last year. While Payton was missed but bress still got it done regardless.

Manning yeah he just sucks. Unfortunately when he retires he will be considered the greatest of all time. But if he wins the superbowl this year is it because john fox is the coach?

How about Don shula and Dan Marino... great coach great qb.. yet no titles.

@browns149 said:

Drew Brees set records last year and DIDN'T make the playoffs without Sean Payton

Manning has won nothing without Dungy.

And the stoolers are the stoolers they win no matter what

You just proved my point

@erie-dawg said:

And if you pay attention to titles, they are won by GREAT coaches and QB's not just great QB's

@erie-dawg said:

Drew Brees set records last year and DIDN'T make the playoffs without Sean Payton

Manning has won nothing without Dungy.

And the stoolers are the stoolers they win no matter what

You just proved my point

@browns149 said:

Does our off look any different then when Shurmur was here?

But you just jump on here and start a circle jerk about the draft and head coaching changes.

@browns149 said:

Then keep hiring no experience losers. And we will keep losing

BR must be the coach.

Drew brees must be the coach.

@erie-dawg said:

Does our off look any different then when Shurmur was here?

@erie-dawg said:

when you have a team that is used to losing, you need a WINNING coach to change that. It's easy for the stoolers to hire a no name assistant. They are used to winning. We are not. We need a WINNER to change the thinking here

@browns149 said:

He's better then any of the losers we have had.

You might as well get shurmer back then if you want the Wco.

@erie-dawg said:

Then keep hiring no experience losers. And we will keep losing

@browns149 said:

my point was we need a coach to make the QB. Unless you get a LUCK 1st in the draft, you need a coach to make the QB

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

come on TCPO, we've already been through this. you're a vegas showgirl in the body of a fat tranny vegas showgirl.

@erie-dawg said:

He's better then any of the losers we have had.

@browns149 said:

Here is an idea............. Get a head coach that has been a WINNING head coach in the NFL. Since the Browns have returned, they have hired Palmer, Davis, Crennel. Mangini, Shurmur, and Chudzinski. A list of idiots, losers, bad coaches, and deer in the headlights TOOLS!!!!!!!!

Spend the $20 million and get a a PROVEN guy. Dungy, Gruden, Cowher, Parcells, Mariucci, .................someone.....ANYONE, besides these so-called hot assistants. The NFL is not for nice guy coaches. Look at the teams that win, their coaches are jerks, mean, and don't sugar coat ANYTHING. Watch a coach presser for NE, GB, NYG, Stoolers, SF, SEA, DEN, Balt, They don't mince words.

Even Dungy, while he's NICE on TV, his players KNOW they are not allowed to fail.

These assistants don't know how to handle a TEAM. They are to involved with their side of the ball.

I WANT A HEAD COACH

And then say you want a proven guy???

He was fired before the end of the season on his last gig.

Take your shit somewhere else would ya.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

my point was we need a coach to make the QB. Unless you get a LUCK 1st in the draft, you need a coach to make the QB

@browns149 said:

was Brees the "one" out of college? or Brady, or Russ Wilson, or Kaepernik.

So we should forsake the season in order to get a mid round QB project?

I'm confused.

Spend the $20 million and get a a PROVEN guy. Dungy, Gruden, Cowher, Parcells, Mariucci, .................someone.....ANYONE, besides these so-called hot assistants. The NFL is not for nice guy coaches. Look at the teams that win, their coaches are jerks, mean, and don't sugar coat ANYTHING. Watch a coach presser for NE, GB, NYG, Stoolers, SF, SEA, DEN, Balt, They don't mince words.

Even Dungy, while he's NICE on TV, his players KNOW they are not allowed to fail.

These assistants don't know how to handle a TEAM. They are to involved with their side of the ball.

I WANT A HEAD COACH

@erie-dawg said:

a man of reason.

the newbie has 18 posts and they are all about getting a new QB.

hey junior, how'd kaep do last night with his big strong arm and mobile/getaway ability and all the read option bullshit against a great defense with the best defensive backfield in the league? what did they muster, 3 points? HA!

GTFO.

i want. what i want. i want. what i want.

just cut the shit already. didn't flacco win the super bowl last year? and he's about as mobile as weeden. actually weeden put up better #'s than flacco sunday...-minus the td of course. but blame that on chornivsky. not weeden.

all you guys just want to keep drafting QBs every fucking year, when we don't know how to draft anyways, just to get pissed at him in his second year and call for the next one in line.

shut the fuck up already.

@tour2ma said:

DE is not a position of need.

And you still have 4 minutes 50 left...

Just because a player is projected to be #1 in his draft for his position don't mean he is worth it. The level of talent at every position goes up or down from year to year.

So If I had the #1 pick I would take clowney and trade away the excess position for more picks if need be. if you follow football and watch how successful teams draft they don't reach on draft picks and find the best talent in the 3rd thru 5th rounds.

Just take a look at all of the top picks we've had and reached on in the first round that should be enough right there to make you start to understand. That's why you take the safe low risk high reward pick of clowney and trade your players or trade down to the level at which you think the player of need is worth the risk.

Sometimes BPA is worth doing even in the first round not just position of need.

@tour2ma said:

DE is not a position of need.

And you still have 4 minutes 50 left...

WR,QB,DB and OL should be the focus of next years draft and FA class...

And you still have 4 minutes 50 left...

@adoug319 said:

If we draft #1 and get Clowney, that would be so counter-intuitive

@erie-dawg said:

Exactly, haven't heard one single person with any football credibility say the draft is loaded. If I was drafting #1 I'm taking J. Clowney. You don't take a player in the first 10 picks just based on need alone.

If we draft #1 and get Clowney, that would be so counter-intuitive

@tour2ma said:

I'm ready... put me in, Coach...

Don't forget your Chin and Jock strap...you'll need'em both!..LOL!

@nickers said:

I'm ready... put me in, Coach...