@jrb12711 said:

Yea, its not like you can compare him to Otto Graham or Bart Starr even in that regard.

@the-gipper said:

I don't disagree with anything you say there. I more meant right now with his playoff record and lone super bowl win there's several guys I'd place above him (that you've named above). I just don't get how people seem to look past the guys shaky postseason play like it's no big deal. To get into that greatest of all time conversation there's no way one can have a losing playoff record.

@flyingfooldoug said:

Uh, sure:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm

Favre played until he turned into dust and painkillers. I hope Manning retires before he struggles with the same pain and injuries Favre had to deal with in his later years.

@the-gipper said:

I know Brett was around forever and a day. Do you have any comparisons in the number of games played? Or even in the same number of years. Just curious.

@jrb12711 said:

As far as "greatest of all time", statistically, Manning is still far behind Favre in most statistical categories: He is 11,000 yards behind, 1100 completions behind, 60 TDs behind. It will take him at least 2-3 years of prime production to pass those numbers.

And right now, both Favre and P.Manning have one SB win and one SB loss.

So, I am not prepared to say that P. Manning is either the greatest regular season QB of all time nor the greatest overall..

The numbers don't support it. The Championships don't support it.

I would not place him above the likes of Joe Montana with his 4 rings, or Brady with his 3 + 5 appearances.

(If the other Manning brother had not pulled off a couple of fluky wins vs. Brady, is there any doubt if TB had 5 SB titles that he would be no doubt considered the greatest?)

@browns149 said:

Peyton is 9-11 career in playoff games and SEVERAL of those games he had bad games with turnovers. I've said for years Peyton's legacy needs another super bowl ring for him to get the 'greatest of all time' tag. Hell, looking at playoff wings Flacco is markedly better. People get all pissy when I say it but Manning has only been mediocre in the crunch time throughout his career.

@miktoxic said:

if we only had guys that were that dedicated to the game that they showed up early and stayed as late as the staff does.

manning has got to be off the charts in madden (no, don't know about it) but if you are in the film room when the guys show up in the morning and help them close up at night that's a stone cold harvard-like student of the game.

Manning, Brees, Brady are all 98's.

Rodgers is the only 99

dud IS (at least) the smartest QB ever to play the game.

smarts is half the equation to play that position.

@browns149 said:

Interesting point. Everybody had the Niners as the SB favorites....but they all ignored 40 years of history which says the Super Bowl loser really has a bad time of it the following year. And now that may be the case with the 49ers.

@slowburn said:

He might be the greatest Regular season QB of all-time, but he has not been very good in the Playoffs

6096 passing yards

48 passing TD's

So far, his completion % is a mere 73%

If he wins one more super bowl the "best ever" will be more digestable

@slowburn said:

if we only had guys that were that dedicated to the game that they showed up early and stayed as late as the staff does.

manning has got to be off the charts in madden (no, don't know about it) but if you are in the film room when the guys show up in the morning and help them close up at night that's a stone cold harvard-like student of the game.

dud IS (at least) the smartest QB ever to play the game.

smarts is half the equation to play that position.

• NYG bombing in NC was a shocker for sure, but for me the egg that Houston laid in Baltimore was jaw-dropping. The Texans have been a "piece away" from the SB for three years now. And now it looks like one of the first additions that set them on a SB path, Matt Schaub, is now MIA.
• On SF49ers... you think maybe they are second guessing their QB decision? And now there's desention in the ranks.

Upside surprises:

• Chicago... I've never been a Cutler fan, but it's starting to look like Trestman has figured out how to get the best out of Jay... protect him. Keep it up and the Bears are going to give the Pack a run for their money this year.
• NO... I thought they'd be better, but dominant? Sure Payton's back and Brees is hot, but the good Ryan kid is working Defensive miracles again. How long until Rob Ryan gets his HC shot?

The over-hyped NFC East got trounced, except for the Cowboys. I like the Lions finally winning in Washington over media-darling RG3 the best, with KC beating Philly on the road a close 2nd.

It's early, but yeah, the typical powers are struggling and it makes for an interesting season for sure. GB & the NYG don't look close to being factors in the NFC at this point.

I also found it irritating that the Bears scored a TD 3 times, but the refs only saw one, in the first half @Pittsburgh. Replay remains a joke.

@the-gipper said:

You won't get an argument from me.

What would a season be without those teams making the playoff?: Great.

It is far more refreshing to see the Seahawks/Chiefs/Dolphins/Bears/Lions doing well. The Browns just need to join them.

@miktoxic said:

My brother is a season ticket holder for the panthers and dumped his okay seats for $250 (well above face value) on a Giants fan. Talk about a rough day to spend that much money on your favorite team.

Zombo said:

I have several Steelers fans in my neighborhood. Yeah it will be fun to give a little back to them.

@djdawg2010 said:

I will be in Cleveland this weekend. Won't miss seeing the Steeler jerseys, I'm sure there won't be one in sight.

I will be in Western PA later in the week and if the Browns beat Cincy and the Steelers lose to Minnesota ... well, let's just say I have waited a long time for this.

Zombo

The Browns after a rough week, go out with a 3rd string QB and win the game! This does NOT look like a team that has mailed it in for the season!

Miami is 3-0. Though after last year they definitely seemed like they are heading in the right direction.

Giants are 0-3, and got blown out! I wonder how soon they will be calling for Coughlin's head in NY?

Steelers are 0-3! I'm loving that! All of these Ohio born wannabe Steelers fans can now go and crawl back under their rock, or back to their trailer parks!

The 49ers losing at home! Is it possible that they messed up in letting Alex Smith go, and that Kapernick may be a one hit wonder? 10 points in 2 games! Yikes!