@the-gipper said:

My life story lol, day late dollar short. If however I print those I might make a few of those dollars back outside the stadium lol

@gftchris said:

Yes, I knew there was another Jordan. But now instead of 5 Flying Js we are down to just 2, I think....unless they want to put Jason Campbell out on the flank.

@the-gipper said:

Jordan Norwood.

XxDaBuckeyexX said:

Yea, all them, but I was just counting the receiving corps.

@the-gipper said:

You are a year late and many dollars short. The "Flying J" was given to this team last year when they had:

Josh Gordon

Josh Cooper

Josh Cribbs

Jordan Cameron

And I think one other.

@miktoxic said:

A few years back there were a few people selling playoff Indians t shirts out of a cart on the street. I'm sure they were not MLB approved, but he was selling them like hotcakes.

@jcam222 said:

You are a year late and many dollars short. The "Flying J" was given to this team last year when they had:

Josh Gordon

Josh Cooper

Josh Cribbs

Jordan Cameron

And I think one other.

a J to make it look like a plane (which has wings on it) i wouldn't touch it would a 10 foot pole, even though i understand you would just want a J with like angel/biker wings attached. lawyers could pick that apart all day.

and who has the capital to hire lawyers?

As long as you didn't include the city most sports teams can't possibly copywrite their names. If you made a red shirt with the word "falcons" written in black I don't think you could be in copywrite infringement territory but I'm not sure if that would hold true with a black shirt with the word "Steelers" on it.

Anybody know any information on this? Gip maybe?

@jcam222 said:

i agree.

but no one has answered the key ? yet. where 'on site' in the parking lots, the street would you be able to sell the Ts and what type of license would you need? a vendor's license where you set up a table and sell at home games? who are the investors? what's the cut? who's going to take care of ohio related tax reseller id #'s.

easiest way is to do it is through the internet, through a website or an ebay item that is linked through a website.

but ti would have to be just a graphic and i think you should be able to get away with the term 'the flying J's' as long as it's a completely different font. but you couldn't metion the names of the players, cuz then they could come after you. although their lawyers could always fight and say that it has everything to do with their players and cease and desist.

believe me you never want to receive a letter like this, whatsoever and have your name and biz attached to it.

@the-cysko-kid said:

Sports related wear that no longer makes sense is pretty normal. The key is to get in and sell the hell out of it while it does. My thread really wasn't started to create a tshirt empire but rather just a clever idea lol. It is however a shirt that would likely sell to the Browns fan base over the coming season or more.

@miktoxic said:

well i can tell you i belong to another forum called

tshirtforums.com

and it is stock full of threads on this.

but where would you sell them?

do you know what it takes to get your 'line' into a full-blown retail store? they want to see annual sales of over 300-550k a year, distribution agreements and the ability to produce when needed orders at qtys with a minimum amount of time.

in other words you've got to be a MAJOR player.

you're best bet would to have guys walk the lots and sell the shirts that way, but then who are these people and do you trust them?

tshirtforums.com

and it is stock full of threads on this.

but where would you sell them?

do you know what it takes to get your 'line' into a full-blown retail store? they want to see annual sales of over 300-550k a year, distribution agreements and the ability to produce when needed orders at qtys with a minimum amount of time.

in other words you've got to be a MAJOR player.

you're best bet would to have guys walk the lots and sell the shirts that way, but then who are these people and do you trust them?

all i know is it takes a lot to start your own line of shirts (meaning selling them at stores or the stadium). i don't know how it works there but are other people in the parking lots selling t's?

i did see the link on one thread of the 'factory of sadness' shirts where the reporter had said that there were no infringement issues tied into selling those shirts. all i know if you tried to sell something with the 'likeness' of yankees stadium with the words factory of sadness, you'd receive a cease and desist letter in the mail the next day, and if you didn't you wouldn't have a company, a house or a pot to piss in.

copyright and trademark issues are a touchy thing.

@miktoxic said:

A big J with wings should work

besides get ready for all the other fans of other teams razzing you all game long about "flying J? isn't haslam in jail right now? he's a crook, a bum" etc. etc.)

i do like the idea though. don't know how it would play out with the browns/haslams lawyers who deal with copyright and licensing all day long.