@jrb12711 said:

Yeah, too bad we won't go back to having 20 deaths per year.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I won't argue with that either. Hell I didn't really disagree with JoePa when he get rid of facemasks. I guarantee a guy would think twice about launching himself when he might lose all his teeth in the process. Too bad that will never happen though.

@wellhungsmurf said:

I agree if you hit someone like a "spear" and leave your feet that should be flagged. Suh hit with his hands, and hit to the chest. So how exactly is a defensive player supposed to hit a QB these days? Go low = flag, and now go for chest = flag. Maybe just grab their shoulders and gently "lay" them down. Another gripe is how many PI calls their are, whatever happened to let them battle for ball. But that's for another thread

It's not so much about the initial hit as it is the continuation. In the picture posted previously, that was as clean a hit as you can really make. The problem (I'm assuming), was after the initial hit.

I posted the rule in another thread, but I don't feel like looking for it.

Essentially, it states that once a QB releases the ball and a defender takes him to the ground, it's illegal. If a defender makes contact after the ball is released, he must do everything possible to keep him and the QB upright. If he lands on him, flag. If he even takes him down and only part of him lands on the QB, flag. If he throws him down and doesn't land on him, flag.

It's a crap rule.

@jrb12711 said:

Ya know, I think truth be told the original intent of these rules weren't bad. Players who line themselves up like missiles to tackle was/is extremely dangerous and I'm fine with blatant occurrences being flagged. The problem is the NFL was put in a crappy situation with this concussion situation and are now forced to overreact to it in today's game. I don't ever blame the refs TBH on these borderline calls. The league is putting so much pressure on them to get those calls right throwing the flag and being wrong is better than the other way around. It's just unfortunate all the way around.

The main problem is the fact that we keep adding padding to them.

What do you do when you feel like you're invincible? You take risks you normally wouldn't.

These guys fly around the field like projectiles because they can. It doesn't hurt to hit someone anymore. These pads and helmets are becoming luxury items. My shoulder pads in high school had a built in cooling system, for fucks sake.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Ya know, I think truth be told the original intent of these rules weren't bad. Players who line themselves up like missiles to tackle was/is extremely dangerous and I'm fine with blatant occurrences being flagged. The problem is the NFL was put in a crappy situation with this concussion situation and are now forced to overreact to it in today's game. I don't ever blame the refs TBH on these borderline calls. The league is putting so much pressure on them to get those calls right throwing the flag and being wrong is better than the other way around. It's just unfortunate all the way around.

I can't recall specifically which hit it was, but any hit that takes Weeden to the ground after he releases the ball is technically considered illegal.

There is no longer a "buffer zone" of one or two steps.

If the ball is released and you take the QB to the ground, you can technically be called for roughing the passer.

It's a stupid rule, and it bit us in the ass with the Groves penalty, but the refs are within their rights to call it.

The NFL is becoming a joke. Sure, we need to eliminate as much risk as possible, but now they're messing with the integrity of the game.

@wellhungsmurf said:

It's too bad you didn't post earlier ... "Well Hung Smurf" would have looked good on the back of the Tailgate T-shirt.

Zombo

@richiswhere said:

I normally just lurk, created an account just for this idiot. STFU and say something educated rather then throwing around insults.. It was a legal hit, the NFL won't be popular in 5-10 years, QB's will have on yellow jerseys and if you go within a five yard "buffer" zone of them you will be flagged. Such a joke

@hx214 said:

i don't understand neither play was dirty. Neither got flagged. I'm still infuriated by tthe Groves flag at the end of the game. Complete and utter horseshit.

The one I saw on Yahoo, was the hit he had where he chased him out of the pocket, and rolled him over and slammed him into the ground and spun his helmet sideways. (I'd post a picture, but can't get to photobucket right now) Although if you read the article it talks about Suh spearing Weeden, but the picture is of the other play. Maybe they don't even know and just fine him randomly.

Here is the Yahoo link.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report-lions-ndamukong-suh-fined-31-500-hit-213924834--nfl.html

(don't think that hit needed a fine either... just looked like there momentum carried them over like that)

@richiswhere said:

Maybe if you cuss and insult me a little more you'll persuade me...

Thanks for the link, Po...

Based upon the end zone shot and the way Wheezy was turing away, it looks to me like a pretty solid left shoulder shot...

Rick? Care to pull your head out of your ass and actually look at the play?

Or can try the cussing route again... your call Sparky...

@tour2ma said:

Clearly not as stupid as you...

Or at least not as subjective.

That, my friend, is a picture perfect form tackle.

His head is up...

He is seeing what he is hitting...

No contact to Wheezy's head...

And clearly not below Wheezy's knees.

And where do you think his left shoulder is?

He is NOT leading with his helmet... period.

I guess the only solution left is to decapitate all defenders...

Problem solved!

Are you really that fucking stupid he lead with his helmet and now he got fined plain and simple fucking moron.

@richiswhere said:

Clearly not as stupid as you...

Or at least not as subjective.

That, my friend, is a picture perfect form tackle.

His head is up...

He is seeing what he is hitting...

No contact to Wheezy's head...

And clearly not below Wheezy's knees.

And where do you think his left shoulder is?

He is NOT leading with his helmet... period.

I guess the only solution left is to decapitate all defenders...

Problem solved!

@tour2ma said:

LOL how F**king stupid can you be. You lead with your helmet and hit the QB its a penalty and your going to get fined its been that way for years. From the angle shown it doesn't look like the ref could have seen it. Whether or not you like the rule it is the rule.

@miktoxic said:

Agree that he's in a class by himself, but would compare him to Conrad Dobler... my gold standard for dirty players.

@tour2ma said:

i agree no dirty hit. maybe it was a little late, but that the only thing i could find wrong with this. puts his hands on him first, which means he was not leading with his helmet, and hits him in the chest. that's exactly what the league wants nowadays in the hit zone. hey he could have always gone after his knees which is totally legal now.

but he IS the dirtiest scumbag to play the game right behind lambert and butkus.

The ball was just out of Wheezy's hand... so was not a late hit...

The man's head is up...

He's not launched...

He did not wrap up and pull in...

Clearly this was a reputation fine.