...they traded one of this year's firsts for a first and something next year? If Mariota stays in college, with him and Winston, the 2015 QB class might be more appealing to them.

@tour2ma said:

Jags may decide to live with Glennon... and demand a King's ransom for their #1...

Anyone paying a high price for the pick of this litter will be sorry.

Not sure why we need another DT (especially playing a 3-4), but I've already said that we are in need of a RT upgrade. Jake is clearly the stand out lineman in this draft. So I could live with your hypothetical.

But warning... if you google "Lache Seahorse" you will end up in an infinite loop back to this thread.

Is he related to Kaiser Soze?

Rolo Tomassi?

Yup... and now with Bradford down can't discount the Rams interest in a QB. Ditto the Vikes with their QB trinity of mediocrity...

There will be a number of teams with significant QB needs picking ahead of us. And all will be playing their need level "up" to command more for their pick.

Meanwhile AJ Mac will await some smart team in the 3rd round "bargain basement"... with Manziel possibly only a floor above.

Jags don't have Glennon. Bucs do.

Jags will certainly go with Mariota or Bridgewater. My guess is Mariota, actually.

I'm just not overly thrilled with this group of QB's. Mariota may have the highest upside because of his physical gifts, but he has yet to be put under any sort of pressure and that bothers me (and everyone else not named Shep).

Honestly, the best QB in this draft may not even go in the first round. There's nobody head and shoulders above anyone else in terms of being an NFL ready QB.

I wouldn't feel bad if we didn't take a QB with our first pick.

@mark-o said:

The best scenario is that the team continues to improve and this team starts to WIN down the stretch in Chud's system. Then, like you said, you take the best QB that happens to be there and you bring him along behind a veteran like Hoyer (or maybe Campbell) into a good situation as opposed to a bad team / bad situation where he is forced to start right away.

I think winning/drafting smart is a much better way than losing/drafting high.

If the team builds some momentum this year and guys like Gordon and Cameron establish themselves as Pro Bowl type performers, it's going to be a great situation for a rookie QB like what Wilson had in Seattle ... great defense, established performers on offense.

Zombo

@gftchris said:

One man's joke is another man's reality...

The price for trading up isn't really that relevant. You absolutely can't compete in this league without a special quarterback, making him worth just about anything. Our second #1 came at the price of a running back who gains way less per carry than a back we could draft in round 3, so it came for nothin', basically.

When you're sitting on 10 picks and 30 mill, not to mention an excellent defense, you have more resources than needs. The Browns don't want 8 rooks, let alone 10, on a team that's insanely young. We need 3-4 serious free agents (par for the course) and maybe 3 significant draft picks, or a total of 7 guys we really expect to play: QB, rotation RB, 2nd WR, 2nd TE, another corner, maybe a safety, probably an ILB to compete.

So basically we want to use maybe five of those draft picks. Possibly 6. I'd gladly trade both firsts and a third go get Mariota or Bridgewater. Why not? Still have a 2nd, 3rd, and two 4ths... plus 30 mill!

Anyone paying a high price for the pick of this litter will be sorry.

@gftchris said:

... I'm half expecting them to trade schwartz, draft someone like Jake Matthews to be the RT and then pick up Louis Nix or some other DT with the second.

Start Brian Hoyer, get Lache Seahorse in the second, let Mack walk and pick up a C in the third round.

Not sure why we need another DT (especially playing a 3-4), but I've already said that we are in need of a RT upgrade. Jake is clearly the stand out lineman in this draft. So I could live with your hypothetical.

But warning... if you google "Lache Seahorse" you will end up in an infinite loop back to this thread.

Is he related to Kaiser Soze?

Rolo Tomassi?

@hoorta said:

Just being the voice of reason here. Overly optimistic about landing Mariotta or Bridgewater Shep. If they're as good as you think they are, no way the Jags and Bucs are going to pass on them. You could have offered Indy the Moon for Luck, and they weren't budging out of #1. Only reason the Rams took the RG III deal is they already had Bradford.

Yup... and now with Bradford down can't discount the Rams interest in a QB. Ditto the Vikes with their QB trinity of mediocrity...

There will be a number of teams with significant QB needs picking ahead of us. And all will be playing their need level "up" to command more for their pick.

Meanwhile AJ Mac will await some smart team in the 3rd round "bargain basement"... with Manziel possibly only a floor above.

Put it this way: We don't have someone to compare to Glennon. Sadly.

Jags seems like a slam dunk for Bridgewater to me. Poor guy.

@shep said:

Just being the voice of reason here. Overly optimistic about landing Mariotta or Bridgewater Shep. If they're as good as you think they are, no way the Jags and Bucs are going to pass on them. You could have offered Indy the Moon for Luck, and they weren't budging out of #1. Only reason the Rams took the RG III deal is they already had Bradford.

Let's look at the rest of our schedule and see what's going to transpire too. This is assuming Campbell doesn't get hurt. Can we beat the Ravens this Sunday? I'll put on my homer glasses and say yes. We damn near beat them on the road, minus Gordon and Wee-tard tossing the rock. I'll say losses to the Bungles, Pats, and Da Bears. All the other games are winnable. Puts us at 8-8 or so for the year. Moving up from the 12-18 range to the top 2 isn't realistic from a draft pick perspective- it would take an RG III + deal to do so- you'd have to toss in Mingo or Haden on top of it to get there.

@shep said:

Again, not advocating it, saying they will, just having a little fun at the FO's ability to throw curve balls at us!

The Browns will field a really fun offense next year with a QB who can throw AND move. Hoyer will either be the backup or start for a few games, depending on which of the two guys we get (Bridgewater is NFL ready out of the box, Mariota's formidable skills might need an extra month).

Our line seems to play more than fine as long as Weeden isn't at QB. And we don't even have Pinkston yet. Among the least of our worries.

QB Protector - Eric Fisher

QB Protector - Luke Joeckel

QB Attacker - Dion Jordan

QB Protector - Lane Johnson

QB Attacker - Ziggy Ansah

QB Attacker - Barkevious Mingo

Even the next guy was an OG. Perhaps helped by a dearth of skill players, but nonetheless it speaks to how much emphasis management puts on the lines.