- There was hazing going on at Miami - big shock

- Richie Incognito was the ringleader for the team and the section

- Richie incognito is a giant douche

- Jonathan Martin was getting hazed into his second year, because he did nothing to stop it

- Incognito went too far with the hazing...

- ...but Incognito thought he was doing nothing wrong, that it was standard locker room 'banter'

- other people probably went through the same thing as Martin and survived.

So, if Martin stands up for himself to Incognito, this probably stops. And when I say stands up for himself, not in the polite way of saying "guys, I really don't enjoy this, could you stop?" I mean in the locker room standard way. However, Martin is an 'educated' guy - a Stanford guy, no less - whose idea of standing up for himself is different.

Being British I never really had to go through the hazing - we don't do that sort of thing here, outside of rugby clubs - so I can't comment on the extremeness of it. But I suspect it's the same through college fraternities, sports teams etc. Maybe Martin was expecting it, rightly or wrongly, to stop in his second year but it didn't, and that made him feel victimised. Why was he the only sophomore getting hazed (was he?). Clearly, if this kind of thing goes on in any standard office, it's harassment, it's an HR thing and it's stopped immediately. But the NFL is a different beast. Some form of hazing is acceptable - even expected - for a rookie, but how much is too much? Evidently, Martin and Incognito have different views on that.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9955599/richie-incognito-miami-dolphins-only-product-environment

I'm not taking anyone's side here because I really don't care of the final verdict, but I feel like there's a lot of information missing from both ends. It looks like this whole situation is turning into "the media will portray what they want the public to believe" cases.

@jrb12711 said:

When saying he should have gone to the higher ups, you also have to consider the fact that they are the ones who ordered this, according to reports - and Incognito saying when asked if it was the case "I can't answer that" - and so he maybe felt that he *couldn't* go to the higher ups, or even the locker room leaders, because they were all in on it.

@vaportrail said:

just copy and paste from youtube the http address. it shouldn't be underlined.

@harry-buffalo said:

Inspirational. Crazy how the Jaguars now have the most stable NFL team in Florida. They're arguably in better condition than the Marlins and Panthers, too.

(why can't i embed?)

@osiris said:

My wife works in a day care. I can confirm people get there feelings hurt in daycares.

My bad. I don't know what goes on in day care

there are plenty of great player who played tough on the field and were assholes off the field. lawrence taylor, michael irving, big ben....hell, even our own jim brown.

but aren't they all in the hall of fame?

so what does that tell you about the game altogether. just win, baby, win.

at any cost.

@miktoxic said:

His issues weren't on the field at all. He was living up to his 'bargain' as you put it by playing good football (started all the games this year). Look, I won't disagree that the guy maybe should of started by going to Dolphins higher ups first. But the bottom line is you can play football hard as hell on the field and be a decent human being off of it. There doesn't need to be a stigma of treating people like shit under the guise of being 'hard'. That's just a very antiquated and stupid principle to live by.

how long has he been there? is he a rookie?

either way, going into an NFL locker room as a rookie you gotta excpect some of this shit.

BUT when you can't perform and are a punk the hazing is done in malice BECAUSE you have not held up to your end of the bargain. i.e. signing a contract for millions of dollars to play against the biggest thugs on earth and decide he doesn't like to get punched in the face or throat for 60 minutes for a sixteen week period.

@jrb12711 said:

One of the guys who wrote an article a page or two back said that whole getting up to leave as the guy sits down thing was a running OL joke, and it happened to him plenty during his time in MIami.

@jrb12711 said:

UH, NO.

because he's a soft little bitch that doesn't want to play the game. he'll make his money in his lawsuit.

now do i have to spell it out for you letter by letter?

jesus christ. what are you a bunch of pussies?

do you REALLY not get what was happening? time to shave your skull down so some knowledge can seep through it.

@miktoxic said:

What bargain could you be talking about? That he didn't conform to everyone else so he deserved to have a bunch of grown men act like 3rd graders?

man i stick up for the under dog everyday, the little guy that gets picked on, i'm the first to stck my face into a bar brawl. this is a whole different scenario.

when you have a whole table of players getting up from a table when you go to sit down, you know you aren't holding up your end of the bargain. that's what this comes down to. if the coaches can't get this guy to play hard then they put it on his teammates. incognito just stands out cuz he got caught with the text messages.

i'm sure there were other players saying the same shit to him yet they were smart enough not to leave a paper trail back to them.

A little psychological projection maybe?

It isn't.

@miktoxic said:

You got it Bro. Happy Veterans day by the way.

@j0hnnybg00d said:

Golf is the most mentally challenging game out there. End of discussion on that.

what happens when one of your friends calls you a fuck face?

you go in the bathroom and cry?

yeah the guys a dick. BUT AT LEAST HE CAN PLAY THE GAME unlike martin. so let's go pick people who are all nicey nice and pay them miliions of dollars to find out he doesn't like to get hit by opposing players.

the new PC browns.

fuck that noise.

and BTW anyone comparing this to the holocaust is a dick. and the line about people being mean ugly and stoopid? try living in NY you panzies.

@shep said:

Completely agree...

My Dad used to take me to Chapel Hill Mall and say, "Look around: Most people are stupid, mean, and ugly." Yikes. He was right.

@osiris said:

Sounds like it was a bogus lie trying for money under the table no doubt.

@miktoxic said:

i never heard of this. if there is proof of it convict his ass.

he might had said it, but i doubt if it ever got touchy.

give me proof.

I heard this same story, and it isn't a rumor.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9944012/police-report-filed-richie-incognito-alleged-molestation-2012-no-charges