Robert Kraft? Robert f**king Kraft? Like what the hell has he done to merit induction? He has a good team? I've said it before- put the contributors somewhere in the Outhouse (as baseball does)- the Hall is for guys who actually played the game.

I'm hoping Bettis will have to wait a good long time now that Myron Cope is dead- and can't get every Squealer in that's 1\2 worthy the Hall. I'm surprised he didn't try to get Rocky Blier and Frenchy Fuqua in. Bubby Brister would have been a stretch though.

Which brings me to Clay Matthews. Clay was at least as good- to my mind- as Jack Ham- who thanks to the merits of Cope the Dope got in a long time ago.

And if you're the best ever at what you do- you deserve in- talking about Ray Guy.

PS Strahan will get in eventually- as will Marvin Harrison. if they made Chris Carter wait- Marvin can cool his heels for a few years too.

Otis Taylor isn't in the HOF. End of conversation.

Some quality players...

Quarterbacks: Ken Stabler, Ken Anderson, Dave Kreig, Vinny T. , Bledsoe, Esiason, Bernie...others ??

Running Backs: Jerome Bettis, Otis Anderson, Tiki Barber, Corey Dillon, Terrell Davis... others?

Wide Receivers: Tim Brown, Andre Reed, Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith, Herman Moore, Mark Clayton, Mac Speedie.....others??

Tight Ends: Ben Coates, Keith Jackson, Todd Christenson, Russ Francis, ...others??

Offensive Tackles: [/b]Joe Jacoby, Jim Lachey[/b], Chris Hinton, Lomas Brown, Mike Kenn, Dick Shafrath....others??

Offensive Guards: Jerry Kramer, Bob Keuchenberg, Will Shields, Dick Stanfel...others??

Centers: Mick Tinglehoff, Jeff Van Note, Kent Hull, Ray Donaldson....others?

Defensive Ends: L.C. Greenwood, Charles Haley, Michael Strahan, Leslie O'Neal, Simeon Rice....others?

Defensive Tackles: Steve McMichael, Alex Karras, Rosey Grier, Big Daddy Lipscomb, Bryant Young, others???

Outside LBs: Kevin Greene, Chuck Howley, Pat Swilling, Clay Matthews, Matt Blair...others?

Inside LBs: Karl Mecklenberg, Randy Gradishar, Leroy Jordan, Tommy Nobis...others?

Corners: Aeneas Williams, Albert Lewis, Lester Hayes, Ken Riley, Eric Allen, Dixon, Minnifield....others??

Safeties: Johnny Robinson, Cliff Harris, Donnie Shell, Jake Scott, Richie Pettibone.....others??

Kickers: Morten Andersen, Gary Anderson, Nick Lowery...others?

Punters: Ray Guy, Sean Landeta, Reggie Roby...others?

I would add Cliff Branch and Jim Marshall.

As John Madden might say " Your teams got to have a coach" and that would be Don Coryell.

I ran across this website by Sports Illustrated asking "Who are the Best Players at Each Position that is not in the Hall of Fame"?

OK, first thing is: the players named here are and have been eligible...and have been passed up at least once or more. (So, guys like Brett Favre, LaDanian Tomlinson are not listed here, as though retired, they are not yet HOF eligible.

So, from these choices....or feel free to include someone no listed, who is the Best Player Not in the HOF who may deserve to be in:

My choices:

Quarterbacks: Ken Stabler, Ken Anderson, Dave Kreig, Vinny T. , Bledsoe, Esiason, Bernie...others ??

Both the Snake and Anderson IMO should be seriously considered. Vinny was not as good as Bernie...he just played a lot longer.

Running Backs: Jerome Bettis, Otis Anderson, Tiki Barber, Corey Dillon, Terrell Davis... others?

Bettis will get in eventually. I think Davis could...but he is hurt because Shanahans Broncos produced RBs like a bee produces honey.

Wide Receivers: Tim Brown, Andre Reed, Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith, Herman Moore, Mark Clayton, Mac Speedie.....others??

Tim Brown and Reed should make it. Speedie should have long ago, its just that the HOF didn't want every player from those Browns to get in.

Tight Ends: Ben Coates, Keith Jackson, Todd Christenson, Russ Francis, ...others??

Not sure about any of these. Christensen the best imo.

Offensive Tackles: Joe Jacoby, Jim Lachey, Chris Hinton, Lomas Brown, Mike Kenn, Dick Shafrath....others??

Shafrath was really the best lineman on the Browns (and probably should have made it over Hickerson).

Putting Hinton in would even up the score for the Colts on the John Elway trade...whom he was traded for. Fuck Lomas Brown. He quit while he was here.

Offensive Guards: Jerry Kramer, Bob Keuchenberg, Will Shields, Dick Stanfel...others??

Personally, I think all of these belong in. Kramer and Keuchenberg hold the record for being on the Finalist list the longest time without being selected. Shields is recently eligible and I think gets in.

Centers: Mick Tinglehoff, Jeff Van Note, Kent Hull, Ray Donaldson....others?

Hell, I thought Tinglehoff was in. He and Van Note should be.

Defensive Ends: L.C. Greenwood, Charles Haley, Michael Strahan, Leslie O'Neal, Simeon Rice....others?

Strahan will get in...possibly as early as this year. He has only been up one time. Haley should be.

A guy missing is Jim Marshall.

Defensive Tackles: Steve McMichael, Alex Karras, Rosey Grier, Big Daddy Lipscomb, Bryant Young, others???

Karras, Grier and Big Daddy should be in.

I think the HOF has an unwritten policy not to put 3 members of great D-Lines in. Both Olson and Deacon Jones are in from the Fearsome Foursome. Both Page and Eller in from the Purple People Eaters. But, Too Tall Jones/Randy White/Bob Lilly are in from the Doomsday Defense, why not the other groups? Karras's gambling suspension has hurt him. "Mongo just a pawn in game of life"

Outside LBs: Kevin Greene, Chuck Howley, Pat Swilling, Clay Matthews, Matt Blair...others?

Personal preference is that Clay get in.....but Greene has been given more HOF run.

Inside LBs: Karl Mecklenberg, Randy Gradishar, Leroy Jordan, Tommy Nobis...others?

I think both Gradishar and Nobis are worthy.

Corners: Aeneas Williams, Albert Lewis, Lester Hayes, Ken Riley, Eric Allen, Dixon, Minnifield....others??

For some reason Williams gets the best nod, though I don't remember much about him....which I guess stems from playing with the Cardinals. Of course Mr. Stickum, Lester Hayes gets a lot of publicity....but he really wasn't nearly as good when they took his Stickum away. Of course the homer in me roots for Minn/Dixie

Safeties: Johnny Robinson, Cliff Harris, Donnie Shell, Jake Scott, Richie Pettibone.....others??

Jake Scott, to me had the best cred. He was the heart and soul of Miami's No Name defense.

Kickers: Morten Andersen, Gary Anderson, Nick Lowery...others?

Morten will probably be the second pure kicker to make the HOF

Punters: Ray Guy, Sean Landeta, Reggie Roby...others?

If they ever put a P in, and they have had their chances, it would be Guy.