I would root for him if he's the QB of the Browns but otherwise I hope he gets broken in half by a LB on a blitz in the first preseason game next year.

But I don't have to be Mel Kiper to tell you that Johnny Manziel is a funny looking little son of a bitch.

WSS

Well Gipper, I can read. I don't know how many college games you watch. Or anybody. I guess if the requirement is that you must watch every college game including every team that starts one of the eight or so quarterbacks were discussing that would be a pretty tall order. But whether or not I faithfully follow the college career of every kid I'm smart enough to know that the top five or six quarterbacks taken each and every year never add up to 5 or 6 all stars.. I also comment on the Cleveland Browns and other teams.

I don't know that I have watched an entire professional game that did not include the Cleveland Browns in my life. Even Super Bowls, as you well know.

Well, at least not sober.

And I am certainly not as active here on the Browns board as I had been many years ago.

It's a little bit more interesting when there is a light at the end of the tunnel. And I'll admit that may be a mirage.

But I don't have to be Mel Kiper to tell you that Johnny Manziel is a funny looking little son of a bitch.

I dunno, maybe you at least have to have hair like Mel Kiper.

WSS

I don't. Why do you ask?

Because it just seemed that you have had several comments about college players and the draft lately, which you have really never had before.

Haven't you seen any of the pictures posted of him here?

Yes, he definitely has a Travis Bickle quality about him.

WSS

TBG

I'm okay with best player available. Always good to have a top notch guys at every position. I do think Manziel is a squirrelly looking little fucker and I just don't like him right off the back. I'll probably change my mind if he's our quarterback but... To be honest I wouldn't bitch that much about taking defense first even though I'm not up for trading two first-round picks for one guy. Think of the Superbowl shuffle bears.

WSS

Ben is 31, they arent going to draft a qb in round 1 unless they trade ben before the draft and i would be beyond shocked if that happens. I could see a lt or a big wr but even then i can see the steelers picking after the browns despite the roller coaster so far.

question is do you finish the jon on defense first and then adrres your offense?

Bees, pretty sure one of those first round picks will be a qb. I just hope they don't use multiple picks on one- the Cincy game showed we still have a ways to go on offense. You don't take a guard i the first round unless he's another Chance Warmack.

& Really we already have two firsts and a second rounder on the o-line, how many do we need?

I would take a RG and WR in the first round. I think a QB can still be had in the 2nd round. We have just ignored the offense altogether and we're paying the price for it. Fullback? Kicker? O-line? No, we were busy putting 17 guys on the front 7. So what do we have now? Campbell goes down and the season's over (not that it isn't already). We have maybe 4 guys on the offense who'd start anywhere else. The rest? Meh. We don't have the talent to play out of a hole like we generated last Sunday.

I just want respectability. Last Sunday shows we still don't have it. We have plenty of draft picks and my fear is they'll ball up 5 of those for a QB, then once again we'll have nothing left to address gapping holes in the offense.

Don't be surprised if the Squealers go for a QB in the first round. Knowing our luck, they'll pick right before us and grab their franchise QB for the next decade and we'll get stuck with another QB bust.

That is absolutely the worst mock I've seen.

That guy clearly was just picking Cle's picks based off overall BPA.

The Browns will identify the best QB and throw the Stadium at him to ensure that they get him.

This might be the worst I've seen

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2014/

I think it's a little high for an ILB who would be hard pressed to beat out Robertson or DQJ next year (I really think Robertson can cover and has in the past). I do think we need someone in the pipeline there, but not in round one. I think the guys we draft especially with our first three picks need to "move the dial," and I'm not sure we can do all that much more on defense.

Hell, we again shut down the Bengals offense. Few first downs, shitty passer rating, dreadful YPC. I think our early picks need to help us become a more consistently formidable offense. To me, that feels like QB, WR, RB or TE, RB or TE... in that order from 1a to 3a (not accounting for trades or what we've already done in f/a).