Quarterback Schools

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:13:23 GMT

The Gipper — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:13:23 GMT

@mld-woody said:
I'd like to see this by number of pro bowls

Great Idea! You are now in charge of doing the research to come up with that.

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:57:34 GMT

MLD Woody — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:57:34 GMT

I'd like to see this by number of pro bowls

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:08:54 GMT

The Gipper — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:08:54 GMT

@tour2ma said:

I'll bite... How did Starr win 5 National championships???

Professional Football Championships These can include NFL Championship games...AFL Championship Games, AAFC Championship games, SuperBowl Championship games.

Works for me... (nothing new there).

... and Purdue gave us Phipps...

Well, you could say that for every school on the list probably:

LSU gave us Tittle.....and Jamarcus Russell.

Oregon gave us Van Brocklin....and Joey Harrington and Akili Smith

Notre Dame gave us Montana and Theissmann.....and Brady Quinn...and Tommy O'Connell (took over for OG..and did a bad job)....and George Ratterman.

Texas gave us Bobby Layne....and Colt McCoy (if we are sticking with the theme of failed Browns QBs)

La. Tech gave us Terry Bradshaw...and Luke McCown

BYU gave us Ty Detmer

But note: Purdue gave us Phipps....but it also gave Gary Danielson.

USC gave us Bill Nelsen.....and Paul McDonald

And note this......for all its prowess as a QB school....Miami Fla. has never produced QB to win a Pro title....but Miami OH. has!

Another trade up that lives in infamy...

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:06:02 GMT

Tour2ma — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:06:02 GMT

Zombo said:
I think he means NFL Championships.

Ah... that's different...

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:30:30 GMT

Zombo — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:30:30 GMT

I'll bite... How did Starr win 5 National championships???

I think he means NFL Championships.

I know, I know ... Shut up and get the AFC North picks done.

Zombo

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:26:00 GMT

Tour2ma — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:26:00 GMT

@the-gipper said:

Where do Championship QBs come from? Here is the list by school since they began Championship Games in 1933:

Alabama 7 5 for Starr, 1 each for Stabler and Namath

I'll bite... How did Starr win 5 National championships???

@the-gipper said:
Maybe getting that guy from Alabama, AJ McCarron wouldn't be a bad idea considering the championship pedigree of Alabama QBs?

Works for me... (nothing new there).

@hoorta said:
Kentucky may have produced Blanda but they also gave us Tim Couch.

... and Purdue gave us Phipps...

Another trade up that lives in infamy...

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:43:14 GMT

The Gipper — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:43:14 GMT

@hoorta said:

Well yes, the same can be said about NFL quarterbacks-.Vinnie T. put up some big numbers due to longevity- I doubt he'll ever make the HOF, because when you come right down to it, he was a pretty mediocre quarterback who lasted a long time.

OTOH- Fouts played 15 seasons in the NFL- plenty long enough in my book, and was definitely not mediocre.

And he IS in the HOF....so the world agrees with you.

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:27:19 GMT

hoorta — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:27:19 GMT

@the-gipper said:

Understand that the PFR Career average stat has a great deal to do with longevity. It is a function of gross statistics quite a bit.

A Vinny Testaverde who played a long time will have a higher career averag than say Bernie Kosar in his prime...but whose career was cut short. Vinny was not the QB that Bernie was. It is like saying: who had the more productive pitching career, Jim Kaat who played until 45 years old, or Sandy Koufax who was done at about age 30.

Kaat has by far more wins/strikeouts etc. etc.....but who really was the better pitcher?

Well yes, the same can be said about NFL quarterbacks-.Vinnie T. put up some big numbers due to longevity- I doubt he'll ever make the HOF, because when you come right down to it, he was a pretty mediocre quarterback who lasted a long time.

OTOH- Fouts played 15 seasons in the NFL- plenty long enough in my book, and was definitely not mediocre.

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:55:52 GMT

The Gipper — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:55:52 GMT

@hoorta said:

Sorry PFR- Fouts rates. Make the 2 Oregon quarterbacks. LOL, means we should draft Mariotta. Bridgewater is from Louisville. Kentucky may have produced Blanda but they also gave us Tim Couch.

Understand that the PFR Career average stat has a great deal to do with longevity. It is a function of gross statistics quite a bit.

A Vinny Testaverde who played a long time will have a higher career averag than say Bernie Kosar in his prime...but whose career was cut short. Vinny was not the QB that Bernie was. It is like saying: who had the more productive pitching career, Jim Kaat who played until 45 years old, or Sandy Koufax who was done at about age 30.

Kaat has by far more wins/strikeouts etc. etc.....but who really was the better pitcher?

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:50:39 GMT

The Gipper — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:50:39 GMT

@nickers said:
McCarron can barely see over the line he has now...he'll be a clipboard holder...sorry

The line he has now is as big as any pro line, ain't it?

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:27:13 GMT

DieHardBrownsFan — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:27:13 GMT

I'd say Fouts rates:

Dan Fouts

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dan Fouts

No. 14

Quarterback

Personal information

Date of birth: June 10, 1951 (age 62)

Place of birth: San Francisco, California

Career information

College: Oregon

NFL Draft: 1973 / Round: 3 / Pick: 64

Debuted in 1973 for the San Diego Chargers

Last played in 1987 for the San Diego Chargers

Career history

San Diego Chargers (1973–1987)

Career highlights and awards

6× Pro Bowl (1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985)

2× AP First-Team All-Pro (1979, 1982)

2× AP Second-Team All-Pro (1980, 1985)

Pro Bowl Co-MVP (1982)

1982 NFL MVP (PFWA, NEA)

1982 NFL Offensive Player of the Year (AP, PW)

2× UPI AFC Player of the Year (1979, 1982)

San Diego Chargers #14 retired

San Diego Chargers Hall of Fame

San Diego Chargers 40th Anniversary Team

San Diego Chargers 50th Anniversary Team

NFL 1980s All-Decade Team

Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee (1993)

Career NFL statistics

TD–INT 254–242

Yards 43,040

QB Rating 80.2

Stats at NFL.com

Pro Football Hall of Fame

Daniel Francis Fouts (born June 10, 1951) is a retired Hall of Fame American football quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). Fouts played his entire professional career with the San Diego Chargers from 1973 through 1987. He was one of the most prolific passing quarterbacks during the 1970s and 1980s, but the Chargers were unable to make it to the Super Bowl during his fifteen-year career. He led the NFL in passing yards four straight years from 1979 to 1982, and became the first player in history to throw for 4,000 yards in three consecutive seasons. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993. He is currently a color analyst for NFL games on CBS television and Dial Global radio. Dan is the son of Bay Area Radio Hall of Famer Bob Fouts.[1]

Fouts went to Marin Catholic High School, which is located just north of San Francisco in Kentfield, California for his two first years of High School, and was starting for the varsity team by his sophomore year. He decided to transfer to St. Ignatius College Preparatory (San Francisco, CA) for his final two years of high school.

Fouts was somewhat of an unknown when he accepted the scholarship offer from the University of Oregon. Things were quite different after the All-Pac-8 quarterback's career where he set 19 school records, including those for career passing yardage (5,995) and total offense (5,871).[2][3] He was inducted into the University of Oregon Hall of Fame in 1992.[4]

1970: 188/361 for 2,390 yards with 16 TD vs 24 INT.

1971: 123/247 for 1,564 yards with 9 TD vs 11 INT.

1972: 171/348 for 2,041 yards with 12 TD vs 19 INT.

Pro football career

Drafted in the third round in 1973, Fouts helped lead the Chargers to the playoffs from 1979 to 1982 and twice to the AFC title game (1980 and 1981). He led the league four times in passing yards; ending his career with over 40,000, the third player to surpass that landmark. Fouts was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993.

Fouts was a 6-time Pro Bowl selection (1979-1983 & 1985) and compiled passer ratings over 90.0 for a 3-year stretch (1981–83). Fouts threw for over 4,000 yards for three consecutive seasons (1979–81), led the NFL in passing yards in four consecutive seasons(1979–1982) and six times eclipsed the 20-touchdown mark with a career high 33 in 1981. His career high of 4,802 passing yards during the 1981 season was an NFL record at the time.

Fouts set NFL season passing yardage records in three consecutive seasons from 1979 to 1981 with totals of 4,082, 4,715, and 4,802 yards. He broke Joe Namath's record of 4,007 set in 1967, and Dan Marino broke Fouts' record in 1984 with 5,084 yards.[5][6] In 1982, a season shortened to 9 games because of a strike, Fouts averaged 320 yards passing per game, an NFL record that stood until Drew Brees averaged 342.3 in 2011.[7][8] Highlights that season included back-to-back victories against the 1981 Super Bowl teams San Francisco (41-37) and Cincinnati (50-34) in which Fouts threw for over 400 yards in each game to lead the Chargers to shootout victories.[9] That season, he was named the NFL's Most Valuable Player by Pro Football Writers Association and Newspaper Enterprise Association. He finished second in the Associated Press poll behind Mark Moseley, the only kicker to ever win the award.[10]

Fouts garnered All-Pro selections in both 1979 and 1982, while also being named 2nd Team All-Pro in 1980 and 1985. In addition Fouts was also named 2nd Team All-AFC in 1981 and 1983. However, Fouts and the Chargers lost both AFC Championship Games in which they played.

Fouts's first few years in the league were inauspicious, but with the arrival of head coach Don Coryell in 1978 the Chargers' fortunes turned. Yet it was actually two years earlier, with the arrival of Bill Walsh as the Charger's offensive coordinator, that the seeds of success were planted. Under Coryell, the Chargers were known as Air Coryell for the deep passing game and the involvement of the tight end as a key receiver. This required a tough, intelligent quarterback with a strong arm. Fouts fit the bill.

Fouts was not a mobile quarterback and the deep passing game led to many hits. Hall of Fame coach Bill Walsh, a Chargers assistant coach in 1976, said "Dan Fouts had a cool, steel-like nerve and courage ... He took a lot of beatings, a lot of pounding, but continued to play, hurt or otherwise. He played more physical football than anybody on his team, including the linebackers".[11] Rarely using the shotgun, Fouts would drop back from center and look for one of a bevy of great receivers. Wide receiver Charlie Joiner and tight end Kellen Winslow were the most famous, both now in the Hall of Fame, but John Jefferson and Wes Chandler, among others, were also key. Fouts's passing enabled Winslow to lead the NFL in receptions twice (1980,1981), while Winslow (1982) and Lionel James (1985) led the AFC in receptions on another 2 combined occasions.[12] James, in fact, set the NFL record (since broken) in 1985 for receiving yards by a running back at 1,027.[13] Jefferson became the first receiver to have 1,000 yards receiving in each of his first three seasons in the NFL. Both Jefferson (1980) and Chandler (1982) led the NFL in receiving yards.[14] Chandler's 129 yards receiving per game average in 1982 is still a league record.[15] Both Jefferson (1978, 1980) and Chandler (1982) led the NFL in receiving TDs. In 1980, Winslow, Jefferson and Joiner became the first trio on the same team to have 1,000 yards receiving in a season. When he retired after 1986, Joiner was the NFL's all-time leader in receptions with 750.

Pass protection was also critical for such an offense. The Chargers had an excellent offensive line which protected Fouts well, and included 4 time Pro Bowler Ed White, 5 time Pro Bowler Russ Washington, 3 time Pro Bowler Doug Wilkerson, Billy Shields and Don Macek. The Chargers led the league in passing yards an NFL record 6 consecutive years from 1978–1983 and again in 1985 under Fouts.[17] They also led the league in total yards in offense 1980-1983 and 1985.

Despite going to the playoffs from 1979 through 1982 and playing in 2 AFC Championship Games, the Chargers never went to the Super Bowl under Fouts (although they went 7 years after his retirement). Usually this is attributed to poor defense and their unwillingness to run the ball. In Fouts's prime the defense was not as stellar, but the running game became far better with the addition of Chuck Muncie, traded from New Orleans in 1980, and the drafting of James Brooks from Auburn in 1981. It is believed the defense had little opportunity to improve as the offense often scored quickly, leaving the defense to spend far too much time on the field. It also hurt that Fred Dean, an All-Pro sack specialist, was traded away to the San Francisco 49ers in 1981 in a contract dispute,[18] and Dean would win UPI NFC Defensive Player of the Year (while playing in only 11 games) that year en route to a Super Bowl victory and help the 49ers to another Super Bowl title three years later. Dean would later be inducted into the Hall of Fame.[19]

"I can't say how much it affected us, because we did make it to the AFC championship game," said Chargers' All-Pro defensive lineman Gary "Big Hands" Johnson of the loss of Dean. "But I could say if we had more pass rush from the corner, it might've been different."

Overall, the Chargers achieved three wins against four losses in the playoffs under Fouts, who threw for over 300 yards in all but two of those games. One of their more notable wins was the 1982 playoff game known in NFL Lore as The Epic in Miami, where Fouts led his team to a 41-38 victory by completing 33 of 53 passes for a franchise record 433 yards and 3 touchdowns on the hot and humid day. His completions, attempts, and yards in the game were all NFL postseason records at the time. The following week in the AFC championship game in Cincinnati, there was a 92 °F drop in temperature compared to the previous week in Miami, and the Chargers lost 27-7 in what is known as the Freezer Bowl.

The following season, he threw for 333 yards and 3 touchdowns in a 31-28 win over the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC divisional playoff round. Fouts playoff career ended in the AFC Championship game against Miami, where he threw 5 interceptions to only one touchdown pass. Fouts went on to play for four other season with the Chargers, retiring in the year 1987 after 15 years with them. He ended his career as the Chargers all time leader in passing yard and touchdowns with 43,040 and 254 respectively.

Fouts finished his 15 NFL seasons with 3,297 of 5,604 completions for 43,040 yards and 254 touchdowns, with 242 interceptions. He also rushed for 476 yards and 13 touchdowns

Dan Fouts is one of only nine quarterbacks in NFL history who have achieved two consecutive 30-touchdown passing seasons. The others are Steve Bartkowski, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Jeff Garcia, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,Drew Brees,and Y.A. Tittle.He was also the third quarterback in NFL history to pass for 40,000 yards, after fellow Hall of Famers Johnny Unitas and Fran Tarkenton, and the first quarterback ever to throw for over 4,000 yards in back-to-back seasons.

Fouts' jersey number, 14, is one of only three numbers retired by the San Diego Chargers (the others being Lance Alworth's 19 and Junior Seau's 55).

In 1989, Fouts was also inducted by the San Diego Hall of Champions into the Breitbard Hall of Fame honoring San Diego's finest athletes both on and off the playing surface.[22]

In 1999, he was ranked number 92 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players.

In 1992, he was inducted into the University of Oregon and State of Oregon Sports Halls of Fame.

Fouts was enshrined into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993, his first year of eligibility.

In 2009, he was picked by the fans as the "Greatest Charger Of All Time" for the Chargers 50th anniversary year.

In 2010, he received the Davey O'Brien Legends Award during Colt McCoy's award ceremony.

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:43:43 GMT

hoorta — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:43:43 GMT

@the-gipper said:

Here are the schools that have produced the top 20 QBs in NFL history in terms of overall production for a career (per PFR):

1. Southern Mississippi ...Favre

2. Georgia...Tarkenton

3. Tennessee...P. Manning

4. Pitt...Marino

5. Louisville...Unitas

6. Stanford...Elway

7. Michigan...Brady

8. Kentucky...Blanda

9. BYU...Young

10. Washington...Moon

11. Notre Dame...Montana

12. Augustana...Ken Anderson

13. Purdue...Brees

14. Oregon...Van Brocklin Fouts

15. Purdue...Dawson

16. Kansas....Hadl

17. Duke....Jurgenson

18. Miami....Testaverde

19. Purdue...Griese

20. LSU...Tittle

Purdue with 3 is only school with more than one.

Sorry PFR- Fouts rates. Make the 2 Oregon quarterbacks. LOL, means we should draft Mariotta. Bridgewater is from Louisville. Kentucky may have produced Blanda but they also gave us Tim Couch.

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 04:09:34 GMT

Zombo — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 04:09:34 GMT

McCarron = Ken Dorsey ... Matt Flynn ... Colt McCoy ... Brady Quinn ... College heroes, professional zeroes.

Zombo

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 02:20:10 GMT

nickers — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 02:20:10 GMT

@ballpeen said:
I like McCarron. I Think he will be a solid pro.

McCarron can barely see over the line he has now...he'll be a clipboard holder...sorry

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Fri, 22 Nov 2013 02:16:57 GMT

ballpeen — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 02:16:57 GMT

I like McCarron. I Think he will be a solid pro.

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:10:02 GMT

The Gipper — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:10:02 GMT

@jrb12711 said:

The thing about A.J. just like Mcelory (the guy before him at Bama) is that he does everything well but not great. He has all the markings to be a guy like Campbell who isn't going to really lose the game, but won't win it for you either. Most QB rankings I've seen have him as the 6-8th rated QB. As much as Weeden didn't pan out, this offense needs someone with the skills he was slated to have.

Well, if he is only as good as McElroy, then he is about a third stringer. But, is he only that good, or much better.

OK Shep....tell us what you think about that, Mr. QB guru.

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:49:02 GMT

jrb12711 — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:49:02 GMT

@the-gipper said:
Maybe getting that guy from Alabama, AJ McCarron wouldn't be a bad idea considering the championship pedigree of Alabama QBs?

The thing about A.J. just like Mcelory (the guy before him at Bama) is that he does everything well but not great. He has all the markings to be a guy like Campbell who isn't going to really lose the game, but won't win it for you either. Most QB rankings I've seen have him as the 6-8th rated QB. As much as Weeden didn't pan out, this offense needs someone with the skills he was slated to have.

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:40:03 GMT

The Gipper — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:40:03 GMT

Maybe getting that guy from Alabama, AJ McCarron wouldn't be a bad idea considering the championship pedigree of Alabama QBs?

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:38:03 GMT

The Gipper — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:38:03 GMT

Where do Championship QBs come from? Here is the list by school since they began Championship Games in 1933:

Northwestern 7 all by Otto Graham

Alabama 7 5 for Starr, 1 each for Stabler and Namath

Purdue 5 2 for Dawson, 2 for Griese, 1 for Brees

UCLA 5 2 for Waterfield, 3 for Aikman

Notre Dame 5 4 for Montana, 1 for Theismann

Michigan 4 3 for Brady, 1 for Newman

Columbia 4 all for Luckman

La. Tech 4 all for Bradshaw

Stanford 4 2 for Plunkett, 2 for Elway

Louisville 3 all for Unitas

Rice 3 2 for Tobin Rote, 1 for Frank Ryan

Ole Miss 3 2 for Eli Manning, 1 for Charlie Conerly

Navy 2 both for Staubach

Occidental 2 both for Kemp

Kentucky 2 both for Blanda

Texas 2 both for Layne

Oregon 2 both for Van Brocklin

Tulsa 2 both for Tommy Thompson

TCU 2 both for Sammy Baugh

Wisconsin 2 both for Arnie Herber

Miami, Oh. 2 both for Ben Roethlisberger

BYU 2 1 for McMahon, 1 for Steve Young

Cal 1 for Rodgers

Tennessee 1 for Peyton

Monmouth 1 for Molesworth

Nebraska 1 for Presnell

Fordham 1 for Danowski

Benedictine 1 for Irv Comp

Missouri 1 for Jack Christman

Vanderbilt 1 for Billy Wade

Morehead St. 1 for Phil Simms

Washington St. 1 for Rypien

West Virg. 1 for Jeff Hostetler

Grambling 1 for Doug Williams

Southern Miss 1 for Favre

Norther Iowa 1 for Warner

Fresno St. 1 for Dilfer

Florida St. 1 for Brad Johnson

Delaware 1 for Flacco

Reply to Quarterback Schools on Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:53:52 GMT

The Gipper — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:53:52 GMT

Here are the schools that have produced the Top 20 QBs by career Passer Rating:

1. California...Rodgers

2. Tennessee...Peyton

3. BYU...Young

4. Eastern Illinois...Romo

5. Michigan...Brady

6. NC St.....Rivers

7. Purdue...Brees

8. Northern Iowa...Warner

9. Miami, Oh.....Roethlisberger

10. Notre Dame...Montana

11. Boston College...Ryan

12. Virginia...Schaub

13. Marshall...Pennington

14. Central Florida...Culpepper

15. San Jose St....Garcia

16. Auburn...Newton

17. Northwestern....Graham

18. Pitt....Marino

19. Southern Miss. ...Favre

20. Indiana...Trent Green