@slowburn said:

But shit. That was so depressing in every single way. I'm glad I had to wait til this morning to watch it, it meant I could skip through all the 'analysis' - "if weeden doesn't have his head stuck inside his arse the browns have a first down there" etc. Well no shit. You don't need to tell us that that guy is useless. Who runs with the ball in an outstretched arm like that? "Here Mr Steeler, have the damn ball!" But it's not like Campbell was much better. First pass of the game - first pass - was a check down to the RB. SURPRISE!!! He completed 14/22 passes, and I swear, not one of them was more than a 5 yard reception. Some YAC, sure, but that's not on Campbell.

And that brings us to the receivers. We had Gordon, with his 240-yard game, and the rest of the group couldn't break 100 yards TOTAL. I feel that guy's pain - to be that good on a shit team like this, can you imagine how good he'd be with Rodgers, Brady or Manning as his QB? He's probably imagining. I love Greg Little - once he has the ball in his hands. Getting it in there looks to be problematic though. Getting open seems to be impossible. Has Jordan Cameron forgotten that he's a massive guy who can catch? Or does he think that that allows him to not ever get open, and the QB (who will it be next week? Tebow? Fuck me) will just throw it up to him? It's not basketball, you're not looking for rebounds. Get open, catch and hold the ball...

...Chris fucking Ogbonnaya. A couple of weeks ago I was asking - he can catch, run, block, where's the weakness? Looks like we found it. Hold on to the damn ball. It's what you get paid for. If you can't do it, someone else will.

I haven't even gotten round to talking about how bad Mitchell 'rookie RT of the year' Schwartz looked, getting pushed around all over the place. We've seen him getting beaten easily by speed rushing. OK, so he must be able to block a bull rush then, right? Apparently not. It was like watching Oniel Cousins back at guard.

Last year we saw this shit, and it was ok, because this team was building, we were on to something. Our two first round picks were just adjusting to the pros. The second rounder looked like he grew in to the game and would come out blazing. Things were looking up. Then this year, they do just enough to make us believe that playoffs are possible, that this team can be respected, that we're not just gonna be 5-11 again, picking up some wins courtesy of decent defensive play and sub-par opposition play. That's what makes this worse, the amount our expectations were raised.

Aaaaaah, much better. This is something I hate about NFL in England - absolutely nobody around the office I can bitch at! So I need to come on here to let off the steam.

@slowburn said:

I don't remember discussing this with you. Anyhow, maybe we can hook up for a beer sometime. I am not black. Are you? There aren't too many blacks in Delaware....not that it means anything. I am second generation Irish. People say I look like Mr French from the flick The Departed. I am not gay either (not that there is anything wrong with that)

I'm absolutely down to get a beer sometime. Right now my days off are weird. Working a stop gap job until after the first of the year but we should be able to get something together. I have a lot of scotch Irish and Italian but I'm def not second generation. Both sides of my FAM do predate the revolutionary war here tho.

until we get a coach with some balls that can call fucking plays and our DL and OL can punch these dudes in the face and knock the opposing team back 5 yds each direction, we will continue to be their bitches.

every piece of this team played like shit today and the coaching staff should be held accountable, player performance included.

don't know if i'll watch another game this year. it's like pouring hot sauce in your eyes while some tightens the vise on your balls.

@the-cysko-kid said:

I can kind of relate. I've really enjoyed having NFL sunday ticket in this regard. I'll always have the browns game on my computer but when they stink up the joint like today I can have it on more in the background.

@the-cysko-kid said:

The next step is admitting to your parents that you're gay.

@dste-ace said:

Sorry fellas, but the on-field abortion that has been the Cleveland Browns for the last 20 years

has left my optimism tank running on fumes. Every year at this point of the season it's the SOS--

an offense whose motto is 'Three and out'. Running game that doesn't concern anyone. Receivers

unable to get separation, OL using the famed 'Ole!' technique. I realize BR was getting rid of the

ball quickly today but, c'mon---other than to get the sweat stink out, is there even a reason to wash

his uniform after today's game?

Next year we have 10 draft picks. And from the way it looks we'll once again be picking in the top

5-10. The same place we've been drafting for the last 14 years. I'm beginning to accept that if the

Browns ever win the Super Bowl I'll be shitting my diaper and too far gone with dementia to enjoy it.

has left my optimism tank running on fumes. Every year at this point of the season it's the SOS--

an offense whose motto is 'Three and out'. Running game that doesn't concern anyone. Receivers

unable to get separation, OL using the famed 'Ole!' technique. I realize BR was getting rid of the

ball quickly today but, c'mon---other than to get the sweat stink out, is there even a reason to wash

his uniform after today's game?

Next year we have 10 draft picks. And from the way it looks we'll once again be picking in the top

5-10. The same place we've been drafting for the last 14 years. I'm beginning to accept that if the

Browns ever win the Super Bowl I'll be shitting my diaper and too far gone with dementia to enjoy it.

34 passes, 34 runs, 5 sacks and 0 turnovers, Stoolers

Lucky we only lost by 16

You can't fumble.

You can't drop passes that hit you in the hands.

You absolutely can't give up 3rd down conversions.

We couldn't get on Roethlisberger because he was being Roethlisberger. Meanwhile, Weeden seemed to have a magnet attached to him.

The Steelers were and still are a better team than the Browns. It won't change until we get a QB who matters, a RT who can block, and a defense that can wrap players up and take them down on first contact.

This is the second week in a row the Browns have played lazy, uninspired football. It makes me think that something big may be happening that they know and we don't.

@jrb12711 said:

Horton got outcoached for sure. The stoolers threw at least 10 wr screens and the Browns didn't stop any of them.

@dste-ace said:

The Steelers came in with a plan to throw the ball quickly. Horton is a good coach, but he got absolutely out schemed today. I don't know this or anything, but I'd bet the average release time for Big Ben today was 2.5, 2.6 seconds. It's literally impossible to get to a QB minus a broken play when the ball is going out that quickly. Horton for some reason refused to press and WR's were wide open on those 5-7 yard routes. As for the run, a lot of those chunk plays came after the game was pretty well decided. Say what you will, but it has to be God Damn demoralizing as a defense to get off the field just to have the offense run a couple plays or turn the ball over.

Defense is very solid but not "elite" yet. We clearly could use an ILB and a 2nd corner. But as is the case, the defense is nowhere near the problem of this team. No QB=crappy football, period.

@dste-ace said:

You should not only look at the last two games. Look at the full season we had so far. I've seen a number of good signs of what will be the Browns to come.

Overrated is more like it. Going against an offensive line that has been decimated by injury and ZERO pass rush. RT did a great

impression of a huge gate with a broken latch on a windy day. 2 crucial fumbles 2 weeks in a row by the one RB we have that doesn't

look like he's running in quicksand. The one QB we have that looks like he belongs in the NFL will be returning from a serious knee

injury.

So, to recap, can't stop the run, can't rush the passer, can't protect our QB (what QB, ha ha), can't run the ball. Did anyone honestly

see anything in the last 2 games to give us hope for the future?

@comeonman said:

"Looked" like a decent team... for 2 games. This D is great, but the offense is going to need a lot more than just Brian Hoyer...

@lbc-mike said:

What foundation? joe thomas, gordon, Cameron, DQ, mingo, haden? Mack is gone next year, no RB, no QB, no solid O line next year, no quality # 2 WR, no actual depth on D (linebackers, CB's ). We are still two years out for a winning season (9-7).

@the-italian-dawgpound said:

I understand and share the frustration of this forum for another season thrown in the toilet.

But I'm 100% sure this is just the Year One of a very good team coming out. Unlike the other recent seasons thrown in the toilet, we have a good foundation to build on.

Tough to say after a disappointing home loss to the Steelers, but I'm optimistic about our future like I've never been in years.

But I'm 100% sure this is just the Year One of a very good team coming out. Unlike the other recent seasons thrown in the toilet, we have a good foundation to build on.

Tough to say after a disappointing home loss to the Steelers, but I'm optimistic about our future like I've never been in years.

@vagitron said:

What kind of question is that? And no I'm not.