But then you rob this collection of pundits of a reason for existence.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

I haven't much looked at the prospects yet, but I think Banner, Lombardi, Farmer, Chud, Turner et al will have all the information to make the right decision. I don't blame them for Weeden, Quinn, Couch or any other draft bust of the past, I think they had a good eye with Hoyer, and they were smart to sign both Hoyer and Camps to two year contracts, so we take a shot a young talented guy this year and he doesn't have to start opening day if he's not ready.

I just don't get into the prospects until after the season, apparently there is no Andrew Luck this year, there rarely is, and we wouldn't get him anyway ... but teams are unearthing good QBs later in the first and later in the draft all of the time, I'm thinking maybe we will be one of them. Take a crack at the best-fitting QB on the board, what else ya going do?

Zombo

We are talking about the 3rd 4th or 5th best prospect in a weak quarterback draft.

Of course just as I don't see a franchise quarterback in this draft neither do I see a franchise running back.

Even if there was one we will need a center when Mack bails out and a guard or it won't matter who is running the ball.

Or throwing it.

WSS

But, right now, we need a first round pick, Hoyer and Campbell next year and hope one of them can peel off a six game healthy stretch.

Zombo

I say we boo Ray Horton for that.

WSS

Formerly Sane said:

Well, I wasn't all over Weeden- and I thought the Browns were stupid to not only take Richardson high, but give up picks to do so. LOL, I learned the hard way about 12 years ago to not buy a player's jersey- at least until he made a few Pro Bowls. Still have a Couch jersey gathering dust in the basement. One thing is certain- Weeden is unbelievably bad. Too slow on the draw, makes far too many bonehead plays, and has zero touch on his passes- if you were paying attention Sunday I'm sure you noticed his short range high speed missiles that were either off target, or so hot his receivers couldn't handle them. Not that I"d want to bring the circus to town (plenty of fans would though) I think Tim Tebow couldn't do much worse than Weedster. If he wasn't a first round pick, he'd already have been cut.

Least success or just plain bad luck? We've swung and missed 20 times, trying everything possible. First round- Couch, Quinn, Weeden. Mid rounds Frye, McCoy. Low rounds, Spergon Wynn (incidentally Brady was right behind him in round 6 that year). Free agents- Anderson, Garcia, Delhomme. Trades- Seneca Wallace. Anything else you can think of we could try next?

As far as getting excited- we're hoping Bryan Hoyer can be our lucky break- just like the Rams pulled a grocery bagger special in Kurt Warner. Have to root for the kid, as he's a Cleveland native. However, it's going to take more than two nice games and part of a third to convince the Cleveland fan base. (Yeah, I get your point about Cleveland fans getting all excited about stuff like that) Scott Mitchell made a ton of money off of one great game.

Formerly Sane said:

But.....it DOES happen in the NFL. Tom Brady was a diamond in the rough. So was Joe Montana. so is Russell Wilson/Kurt Warner/Tony Romo (if you consider him a diamond).

Is that normal? By all means no. But it can happen. The Browns HAVE tried to go the typical way.....get your QB in the first round.

That has garnered us Tim Couch/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden.

If you want to say the Browns have had the least success at drafting QBs over the last about 20 years, I would say yes.

Certainly not the last 50. Bernie Kosar for which the #1 overall pick was used certainly was a success.

And the Browns got the ultimate Diamond in the rough QB perhaps in NFL history: 13th rounder #331 overall.....to NFL MVP, Brian Sipe.

I excuse you for not knowing your history. You are, after all, a Steeler fan and that is to be expected.

Formerly Sane said:

I don't think "big name players" avoid coming here. Two of the top FAs in last year's class are here. Kruger/Bryant...and any number of others. They go where the money is.

As for "big name" coaches, the Browns have been like the Steelers....they haven't gone after the "Big name" coach.. and when they did, like Eric Mangini, they got burned.

Formerly Sane said:

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Charlie Frye?

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Disagree on that. I would say Brady Queef.

Quinn still threw more TD's than picks, which Weeden has yet to do.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Disagree on that. I would say Brady Queef.

@hx214 said:

Did you mean writhing? I don't usually point out spelling errors because no one is writing term papers here, but that is egregious. Rive means to split apart violently as in, "The Browns locker room was riven with strife after getting their asses blown off by the Steelers." If you meant rive, my apologies.

Now on to Wheezy, I believe he was trying to say that you can't get caught up on mistakes you make, and that you just have to move on to the next play. Except he chose to express it with the cliche of "laugh it off and move on." QBs have to have short memories to keep their head in the game, but smart ones don't tell the media that they laugh at their mistakes like its some big joke. Fans don't want to hear that shit. Luckily for Weeden, he won't have to worry about laughing off mistakes much longer unless it includes dropping the clipboard on the sidelines. I don't even want him as a QB2, because that means he still has a chance to hit the field in a Browns uniform. I'd say trade him in the off-season, but I don't know what team would offer anything in return outside a bunch of practice squad scrubs.

@sadbrownsfan said:

The first part of the quote didn't annoy me, but the full quote kind of did.

Youve just gotta laugh at it, Weeden said. All you can do is march down the field and throw a touchdown. I didnt hear any boos after I threw that touchdown. http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/marla-ridenour-browns-factory-of-sadness-keeps-churning-out-disappointment-1.447346

I could have been really drunk in the 4th quarter, but I don't remember scoring a TD till garbage time.

He didn't hear boos because everyone had already left.

They left because his shit performance, and they won't come back until he's gone.

Brandon Weeden is literally the worst quarterback the Browns have ever had.

Formerly Sane said:

There was a reason Weeden got booed- most of the fans know he's terrible.

Formerly Sane said:

All somewhat true, except you failed to recognize the original point. We Steeler fans understand that when we get the latest in a string of mediocre QB's, we don't instantly expect that mediocre QB to take us to the promised land, predict idiotic things, and then get ridiculously upset when it doesn't happen.

We understand that with a bad or even average QB, the odds are not good that the team will go all the way, however, due to a solid organization behind that average QB, it does occasionally happen........like with Neil ODonnell and Kordell Stewart.

And Oh By The Way......it's not luck. Which is why the Steelers have been the best of the best under the Rooneys and why the Browns have been the worst of the worst under blah blah blah.

We were hoping that after a pretty good preseason, and in an offense that was tailored to his strengths- Weeden would drastically improve his second year. He not only didn't improve- he seriously regressed. He is what he is- and I'd lay some serious money he won't be on the Browns next season.

Oh, I know darn well what a great qb looks like- spent most of Sunday night watching the Patriots- Broncos game. Manning and Brady are in another universe talent wise than what the Browns have at quarterback with Weeden. Even Campbell is just a mere journeyman- and he showed it before he got hurt.

Under those circumstances fans should support him when he comes in. Signing a 4th QB in week 13 is not going bring us a playoff appearance ;-).

WSS

He has a rocket for an arm Kicked ass in college and was a powerful and accurate passer. It just didn't translate when he got into the motion and speed of the actual NFL.

I hear people bellyaching that he throws the ball too hard. Well tough shit. If you are a professional receiver you should know the difference between the speeds that different quarterbacks throw.

Either that or you shouldn't be playing professional football.

Perhaps that is mitigated by the fact that they practice with different guys every 15 minutes and don't get used to anyone's style.

WSS

Formerly Sane said:

Oh you bet your ass I'm angry at the Browns for drafting him where they did. IMO when the new owner took over, I believe it is a big reason why they didn't keep fat ass! When you draft an almost 30 year old rookie, it damn well better be a home run, because anything less is a terminable offense! As for this new regime, they had an opportunity to make a splash in free agency and grab Alex Smith and hire a credible coach like Andy Reid, and they didn't do so! Now nothing against Chud, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I need to see a little bit more out of the coach, in regards to intensity and lighting a fire under the asses of these players!

Formerly Sane said:

I am not really arguing with that. Except to point out that you are clearly a willing fuckee.

Formerly Sane said:

I don't think that has anything to do with being a Browns fan. It has to do with being the fan of a team that just can't get a decent QB playing for them. (there are any number of other teams out there in the same boat)

In other words, we are in the same position that Steeler fans were in between having Terry Bradshaw and BR play for you.

I mean, you brought out your string of Mark Malone's, Bubby Bristers, Kordell Stewarts, Neil O'Donnells, Tommy Maddoxes, over a 20 year period.

While we had a Bernie Kosar taking the Browns to AFC title games, you had that pile of muck.

Sure, you have been lucky that you have had "the guy" for the past decade.

But once BR is gone, you never know, you may go back to the Bubby's for another 20 years.

We have had that kind of bad run here.

Formerly Sane said:

Well... I never said he was a bad human being. But he does suck as a QB, and is clearly out of his league.

Formerly Sane said:

Formerly Sane said:

I think our front office is convinced that you are right. And that is why he probably will not be here beyond this season.

What is hair pulling is, as I said above....he has shown traces of brilliance. He is like a rollercoaster....very high highs, very low lows, but the lows are much more frequent these days than the highs.