@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

If the Browns win Sunday some folks will be talking wildcard again....

We will and I will.

Z

@miktoxic said:

religion is for warmongers and suckers.

the aggressive and submissive.

I don't disagree. It is the cause of all wars.

Religion is what people used to explain things before science.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

religion is for warmongers and suckers.

the aggressive and submissive.

I just can't watch weeden play. Its just too infuriating.

@miktoxic said:

yes and then cut them both the day the season ends.

Fine by me I think the only QB from this year that'll be on next years roster is Hoyer, which I approve of.

@the-gipper said:

I simply brought up his faith as that is where he should probably be going to earn his keep......not playing QB. Because he is a bad QB.

It sounds like YOU are the one that is butthurt about that very sensible suggestion.

Do you have something against him preaching his faith.....doing something he may clearly be more apt for than playing NFL quarterback.

With other guys we might say "go sell insurance", "go be a high school coach" "go sell cars for a living" , "go announce college games".

Its just with Tebow we all have been made aware that his path may lie in another direction.

I am merely suggesting he take that direction....Why would YOU object to him going out preaching? Are you Muslim or something?

I don't fall for your attempts to shift the focus of blame like others here do.

Your first sentence about Tebow is about his religion, clearly it was what your mind first jumped to. Only after taking a swing at his religious background did you attempt to qualify it by saying he's a bad QB.

For being a so-called judge, you tend to jump to your own conclusions rather quickly and dismiss the opinions of others as opposed to being open-minded. I'm starting to see why you "used to be" a judge.

For the record, Muslim is an Arabic word meaning "one who submits to God". Therefore any practitioner of a monotheistic religion is technically a Muslim.

I know you meant it as a shock term, because in your mind "Muslim" equals "terrorist".

I'm sure what you meant to ask was "Are you a follower of Islam?" in which case I would respond by asking "which denomination?", of which there are about 40... all with slightly different views and beliefs.

I guess where you're from there really is a separation of church and state, because on the topic of religion you are woefully ignorant.

You can quote me first as saying he'll sign as a graduate assistant coach at Ohio State.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I simply brought up his faith as that is where he should probably be going to earn his keep......not playing QB. Because he is a bad QB.

It sounds like YOU are the one that is butthurt about that very sensible suggestion.

Do you have something against him preaching his faith.....doing something he may clearly be more apt for than playing NFL quarterback.

With other guys we might say "go sell insurance", "go be a high school coach" "go sell cars for a living" , "go announce college games".

Its just with Tebow we all have been made aware that his path may lie in another direction.

I am merely suggesting he take that direction....Why would YOU object to him going out preaching? Are you Muslim or something?

@bbedward said:

yes and then cut them both the day the season ends.

weeden deserves to start the next five games and get his licks, just like we know we'll probably lose out the rest of the year, which in my book at this stage of the game would be best for the team given the upcoming draft.

the fans are already angry. after hoyer went down there was a collective gasp of air being let out of everyone of knowing that we'd have to rely on the other 2 then backups which meant almost certain doom.

i don't think haslam is that concerned about filling seats right now as he is about his personnel picks. i'm more angry about our coaching staff than anything else so far. hell sign tebow. bring THAT circus to town if all you care about is having ticket sales.

i know a lot of teams want him in the NFL if he were to switch to TE or FB or whatever but he won't, so there goes that argument.

hopefully between weeden and campbell we can last out the year w/o having to sign anyone else.

also polarizing is not a strong enough word for tebow. besides talk about angry fans. half the people wouldn't show up just because he's playing.

@miktoxic said:

ok, not for a blown coverage by the steelers tebow and the broncos would not have won THAT game.

the whole team was modified to fit his game. dummy down, let him run and maybe let him throw 15 times a game.

EVERYONE KNOWS IT, ALL GMs in the NFL won't touch him, hell i bet you half the CFL wouldn't want the guy. but you would?

HE SUCKS ASS! just because you have some man crush on tebow like PoG had on TR? you let it go.

throw weeden in there until his arms fall off, let him get beat the fuck up for stealing this franchise's money and have holmgren play center for him.

for someone who claims to know soooo much about football you sure have blinders on for any discussion about tim tebow. you tebow and skip bayless should do a circle jerk together.

I never claimed it was a smart football move. Nobody in here has ever claimed that.

As a matter of fact, I clearly stated that it is a very dumb football move.

But we are looking at the possibility of losing out the rest of the season. Weeden has won zero games this year as a starter and we've dropped five of the last six.

Ticket sales will plummet just like they did in Detroit, just like in Jacksonville, and just like they did a couple seasons ago for us (lest we forget about the near blackout?).

We already dumb down the offense for Weeden, so there's no change there. Gordon and Carmeron become non factors with Weeden in, so there would be no change there. Our run game is awful no matter who's in at QB, so there's no change there.

Tebow would at least put fans in the stands.

You say I have blinders on for him, but I think it's quite the opposite. I'm willing to admit that he's a garbage QB. I know that he is. But he's polarizing and I'd love to see you try and deny it because I have an abundance of facts and stats to prove otherwise.

There's a number of CFL teams that want Tebow but he won't play there. There's a number of NFL teams that want Tebow but he won't switch positions. It's a perfect scenario. We're taking our QB in the draft no matter what. This is a 5 game contract. If Tebow wants to prove he has anything left (or had anything at all), now would be the time.

If we throw Weeden on the field as a starter for the next five games, you can bet there will be some (a lot of) very angry fans. Do you deny that?

the whole team was modified to fit his game. dummy down, let him run and maybe let him throw 15 times a game.

EVERYONE KNOWS IT, ALL GMs in the NFL won't touch him, hell i bet you half the CFL wouldn't want the guy. but you would?

HE SUCKS ASS! just because you have some man crush on tebow like PoG had on TR? you let it go.

throw weeden in there until his arms fall off, let him get beat the fuck up for stealing this franchise's money and have holmgren play center for him.

for someone who claims to know soooo much about football you sure have blinders on for any discussion about tim tebow. you tebow and skip bayless should do a circle jerk together.

@the-gipper said:

It is, no offense to those individuals, the bargain basement of players who can't get gigs anywhere else in the NFL. There is no savior out there to be found.

This all brings me back to Tim Tebow.

Why don't you go join him in the church that he is going to be preaching at.....for THAT is where Tebow should be. Not on a football field. Why Tebow? There are several other Heisman winning QBs out that that are available.

We could get say:

Troy Smith

Matt Leinert........both former Heisman winners I would rather have. At least they have started in the league.

Jason White

Eric Crouch

....both of these who probably never played in the NFL could do as well.

And Jamarcus Russell, former #1 overall. He is out there too.

Because he wins games and they don't.

I'm sorry you have a problem with his religion, but get the fuck over it. You sound like a butthurt child, just like the rest of the detractors.

If you want to talk about him being a bad QB, I'm all for it. But his faith has nothing to do with his game.

Having said that...why the fuck not? Is someone afraid that putting Tebow at QB is

somehow going to embarrass the Browns (any further)? Is it possible to embarrass

the Browns any further than the slop we've watched over the last 2 weeks?

Can he be any worse than Caleb Hanie? Or Weedon?

Put it this way. Next Sunday (and every other Sunday until the end of the season)

my plans do not include watching the Browns. Sorry, but I just can't watch any more

shit football. However, put the freakshow known as Tebow behind center I would

tune in, at least for a half. Hell, he can't do any fucking worse than the putrid stench

we'll be trotting out for the rest of the season. Bring on the circus!

Why don't you go join him in the church that he is going to be preaching at.....for THAT is where Tebow should be. Not on a football field. Why Tebow? There are several other Heisman winning QBs out that that are available.

We could get say:

Troy Smith

Matt Leinert........both former Heisman winners I would rather have. At least they have started in the league.

Jason White

Eric Crouch

....both of these who probably never played in the NFL could do as well.

And Jamarcus Russell, former #1 overall. He is out there too.

Weeden has a -27% chance of winning a game.