@the-cysko-kid said:

I guess we should never change anything that stupid people can't cope with.

@logicisforsquares said:

A horse can't consent to sex with a human. And no I don't keep up on the different methods of horse fucking so please inform all of us. I am sure we are all dying to know.

What liberal country do you know of that kills people over gay sex acts?

And you can't rape a horse. A horse has no rights. You can abuse an animal.

@the-cysko-kid said:

And in the most liberal country in the world that I know of, its a hot button issue. I think your logic is unsound, young engineer and I would urge you to look again.

Evangelical America is pretty conservative compared to secular Western Europe, Canada and parts of South America.

What liberal country do you know of that kills people over gay sex acts?

@logicisforsquares said:

You were comparing a situation involving rape (person raping a horse) to one of aberrant sexual behavior. It is definitely aberrant. We as a species would die out after a generation if everyone turned gay. However, I don't give a fuck what someone else does so long as it doesn't effect me. Don't like gay sex? Then don't bang a dude.

Also its not rape. Horses have no right to choose their own sexual partners. Clearly ypu don't know much about studding and that. Its animal abuse

Here is a poll that include some other countries, http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/18/us-gaymarriage-poll-idUSBRE95H09T20130618

But yeah, just developed countries. I'm sure you could find a correlation between the relative education and religious influence in a nation and their support of gay marriage.

I am just realizing Cal has turned a good number of these threads into "the liberal and gays are out to change our way of life!" and I have actually fallen for responding...

@the-cysko-kid said:

Polls in 2013

A September Quinnipiac University poll found that 56% of American adults and 57% of registered voters supported same-sex marriage. Only 36% of both groups were opposed.^[13]

A July 10–14 poll by Gallup found support for gay marriage at 54%, a record high, and double the support of 27% Gallup first measured when the question was asked in 1996.^[14]

A July poll by USA Today found that 55% of Americans supported gay marriage while 40% did not.^[15]

A May 9 Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 55% of Americans supported gay marriage while 40% did not.^[16]

A March 20–24 CBS News Poll found that 53% of Americans supported same-sex marriage, 39% opposed it, and 8% were undecided.^[17] The same poll also found that 33% of Americans who thought same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry said they once held the opposite view and had changed their opinion.

A March 7–10 Washington Post-ABC News^[18] poll found that 58% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 36% opposed. The poll indicated that 52% of GOP-leaning independents under 50 years old supported gay marriage.^[19]

A March Quinnipiac University poll of voters found 47% supported same-sex marriage and 43% were opposed.^[20]

@mld-woody said:

You and cal are such a cute couple! You two should get married, force people to recognize it and bake you a cake, to boot.

In the light of the strict legal translation and original intent the institution has officially outlived its usefulness.

Not that I necessarily celebrate that particular, uh, improvement in society but it is what it is.

WSS

Or is that just crazy talk?

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Crazy talk, Chris... there will always be those who will assault/murder/rape/pillage. Always hsa been. And folks

should be allowed to keep their guns in any society, to be responsible for their own safety. The police just can't

be there in three minutes, as some murderer breaks into your house and comes after you. It's reality. But more

than anything else, the idea that Americans' guns should be kept safely somewhere? Now, come on. When I killed

a big coyote that apparently kept coming back, and stalking our field, within 20' of my Wifie on our tractor...

I'm supposed to go downtown to some "safe" place, and fill out some paperwork, pay some stupid fee, and

wait three days to get my "recreational" gun back, to protect her? Naw. Guns are a great thing, and a bad thing,

depending on whose hands they are in. Same thing for cars and knives, and m-80's, and gasoline, and candlesticks,

baseball bats.....

Same thing for being in our woods during deer season, and some nutjob was screaming at me from 50' feet away, because we

don't allow hunting on our beautiful property...(we have the ancient orchard and huge oaks, and our 2 3 acre wetlands)..

near the border of our property, that he was going to shoot a deer right next to my head. I was just sitting out there, and only got up, and he saw me,

just before dark. That's reality. And I have my ccw license on the advice of the game warden, and sheriff deputy.

@logicisforsquares said:

Well that all depends on your interpretation of marriage. Marriage in itself is a legal contract binding two parties together, which can be celebrated with a ceremony, religious or otherwise. Nobody should be forcing religious institutions to allow gay people to be married therein, that would just be PC nonsense.

@calfoxwc said:

Okay, I agree. You're a CCW instructor? COOL ! I have my license, since you're new. But I think Woody won't be happy

that you're here, now.

@gftchris said:

I think government should be out of the marriage business all together. It is a religious ceremony. Let everyone who is of consenting age be able to choose to join in a legally binding union. If they choose to have a religious ceremony to celebrate the occasion than so be it.

@gftchris said:

Utopia sounds nice but it only works on paper. Even if murder dropped to 10 people a year, I would still want a firearm in my home. I don't want to be 1 of 10.