fuck all you 'one player makes the team', motherfuckers. if that was the case tim couch would've taken us to the superbowl.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I assumed the point was to show that when you have two good guards, you can have three different RB's have 200 yard games.

TB has about 25 different reasons why they suck.

@westside-steve said:

It seemed to me that the point was to let everyone who wanted to draft a guard know that Tampa Bay has good cards and they still suck. I didn't really see anything else in the post so who knows...

WSS

I assumed the point was to show that when you have two good guards, you can have three different RB's have 200 yard games.

TB has about 25 different reasons why they suck.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

But having 2 good players out of 3 helps the interior run game.

That's the point.

It seemed to me that the point was to let everyone who wanted to draft a guard know that Tampa Bay has good cards and they still suck. I didn't really see anything else in the post so who knows...

WSS

@westside-steve said:

And 1 position will not make or break a great team.

Or a bad one.

WSS

But having 2 good players out of 3 helps the interior run game.

That's the point.

XxDaBuckeyexX said:

Tampa Bay has two of the best guards in the NFL.

Or a bad one.

WSS

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

It makes me really wonder if Muscle Hamster is as good as he seems, or if it's the system. He may have sucked for us too.

Hard to know, but if it's the latter... why don't we have one of those systems?

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

Does anyone think this kid could have "it"?

Could? Yes... Does? No...

@hoorta said:

Scouting is a breeze in the Internet age? So much improved? Have to disagree. If that were the case there would be zero busts in the first round. Still happens.

So the Browns major failing 1999 on is their assorted FOs and scouting departments can't recognize talent from a hole in the ground. Yup, so easy a Caveman with Internet access can do it. Thanks H & H for giving us Richardson and We-done.

There's far more busts than there are players with talent that fall through the cracks.

A bust is a bust is a bust. There's nothing you can do to really predict who will bust. Players with the best measurables, best intangibles, coming from the best college programs, turn out to be busts and all for different reasons. Trent Richardson being a bust is completely different than Ryan Leaf being a bust is completely different than Mark Sanchez being a bust.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Scouting is a breeze in the Internet age? So much improved? Have to disagree. If that were the case there would be zero busts in the first round. Still happens.

So the Browns major failing 1999 on is their assorted FOs and scouting departments can't recognize talent from a hole in the ground. Yup, so easy a Caveman with Internet access can do it. Thanks H & H for giving us Richardson and We-done.

XxDaBuckeyexX said:

No. We don't do that to Alex Tanney. Only Caleb Hanie.

You don't taint Alex Tanney.

@the-gipper said:

It's included in the point. It was much easier to be a QB in the running era, therefore QB's coming from smaller schools had a much easier time making it than they do nowadays.

McCown is hardly "making it", and even still he was taken in the third round. Roethlisberger was a first round pick. Yes, technically a "smaller school QB", but he was recognized early as being a great talent. Hardly flying under the radar. Same for Flacco.

Tony Romo does fit. A UDFA from a FCS school, nobody expected him to be a franchise QB. I maintain that he still isn't one, but that's an argument for a later date.

It's much tougher to be a QB in the NFL in 2013 than it was in 1973. These guys are superior athletic talents, honing their QB skills from a young age. Add to that the fact that scouting in 1973 was a joke, and it all points to the fact that it's much harder for a guy to fall through the cracks now. Good talent is recognized. Sometimes early, sometimes late, but it still tends to be recognized.

The internet age makes scouting a breeze. If you know what you're looking for and have access to game tape, you can be a scout. I can scout hundreds of players without leaving this Starbucks.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I thought the point you were making was that a QB from a smaller profile school could make it back in the 70s/80s....but could not do so now. Was that not your point?

If not, then my counter of : Flacco/Delaware, Romo/E. Illinois, McCown/Sam Houston St.. Roethlisberger/Miami Oh. etc. would have been misdirected, no?

@the-gipper said:

Well, small schools probably show up just as much now as well:

Delaware....Flacco....last time I looked he was SB MVP

Sam Houston.....McCown...filling in for Cutler (of Vanderbilt, no less)

Eastern Illinois.....Romo

Harvard.....Fitzpatrick....maybe we should look for Ivy Leaguers, they are supposedly the smartest guys around.

Nevada....Kaepernick

Miami, Oh...Ben R.

All of these are considered basically "small schools"

Perhaps we should go with a QB from these schools, who already have a couple of NFL starters:

Michigan....Brady/Henne (do you want Devin Gardner?)

Wisconsin....Tolzien and Russell Wilson

NC State...Rivers and Glennon....but Wilson went here too, so maybe he should count for them.

The point I was making is that, in a run oriented league where it was routine to have 8 (even 9) in the box, a smart QB with even marginal talent could have made mince meat of defenses through the air.

Now, it's different. QB's are attending passing camps and 7 on 7 workshops from middle school. They're playing in offenses throwing the ball 40+ times per game, every game, from B-Team football all the way until their senior year of college. By the time a QB reaches the combine, they've thrown somewhere in the vicinity of 5,000 passes in games. That's not including the 60-70 throws in practice every day.

In high school, our QB coach had our QB's throw 30 passes before they could even put on their pads.

Today's QB's are truly experts. Only the best of the best even make it to the league, and only the top 10% of those find any sort of success.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Well, small schools probably show up just as much now as well:

Delaware....Flacco....last time I looked he was SB MVP

Sam Houston.....McCown...filling in for Cutler (of Vanderbilt, no less)

Eastern Illinois.....Romo

Harvard.....Fitzpatrick....maybe we should look for Ivy Leaguers, they are supposedly the smartest guys around.

Nevada....Kaepernick

Miami, Oh...Ben R.

All of these are considered basically "small schools"

Perhaps we should go with a QB from these schools, who already have a couple of NFL starters:

Michigan....Brady/Henne (do you want Devin Gardner?)

Wisconsin....Tolzien and Russell Wilson

NC State...Rivers and Glennon....but Wilson went here too, so maybe he should count for them.

@roach said:

Well, right now, I'd take about any D III quarterback over We-done. See below.

@gftchris said:

As long as he can do it with 500lbs of pass rush in his face, we're golden.

That's what I'm talking about Roach. OK- I'm convinced- with zero pressure on him, the kid can throw a football with more accuracy than any human being on the planet. However, though extreme accuracy under no pressure conditions is a nice attribute, we've seen with We-done it takes way more than that to be a top level starting quarterback in the NFL. Like how long does it take him to load up that amazing accuracy? He won't have 5 seconds in the NFL to toss those 50 yard rainbows to Gordon. I'll let TCPO comment on his mechanics- does he have that Marino hair trigger release, or we seeing a sloooow windup before the pitch? How fast can he read a pro defense? Peyton Manning can do that in about 0.2 seconds, We-done can't do it in 2.0 Like I said, in the NFL you're not looking at just one target- on a lot of plays, you may have five, all moving in different directions- and BTW- have to keep 1\2 an eye where those 300 pound uglies from the other team are that want to squash you.

Who knows? The kid could be another Brian Hoyer gem in hiding- but you have to wonder- if he was all that and a bag of chips, the Cowboys would have protected him on the regular roster. Garrett used to be a college and NFL qb- you'd think he'd have seen gold dust if it was there.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

This just shows how easy it was to be a QB in the 70's, 80's and 90's.

Yeah, it was simple.

Actually there were less NFL spots, but they found QBs from more obscure colleges because they were looking for pro style QBs. Your big schools, Oklahoma, USC, Big Ten etc were all run-oriented systems back then.

Z

@the-gipper said:

Who knows, maybe he is another Kurt Warner who goes from filling grocery bags while waiting for anotther chance to one of the top QB's in the league.

I too thought about this. That would be nice. Is Monmouth any worse than say Northern Iowa from whence came Warner.

Or Eastern Illinois that Romo came from?

Dave Kreig, who is 15th in career passing yards went to Milton College....a small school that doesn't exist anymore.

Jim Hart: Southern Illinois

Ken Anderson: Augustana

McNair: Alcorn A&M

Jim Zorn: Cal Poly Pomona

Charley Johnson: New Mex. St.

Jack Kemp: Occidental

Neil Lomax: Portland st.

Arnie Herber (HOF QB for Packers): Regis College

Ken O'Brien: Sacramento St.

Ron Jaworski: Youngstown St..

Point is, over history some pretty good QBs came from some very much NON football factories.

This just shows how easy it was to be a QB in the 70's, 80's and 90's.

I too thought about this. That would be nice. Is Monmouth any worse than say Northern Iowa from whence came Warner.

Or Eastern Illinois that Romo came from?

Dave Kreig, who is 15th in career passing yards went to Milton College....a small school that doesn't exist anymore.

Jim Hart: Southern Illinois

Ken Anderson: Augustana

McNair: Alcorn A&M

Jim Zorn: Cal Poly Pomona

Charley Johnson: New Mex. St.

Jack Kemp: Occidental

Neil Lomax: Portland st.

Arnie Herber (HOF QB for Packers): Regis College

Ken O'Brien: Sacramento St.

Ron Jaworski: Youngstown St..

Point is, over history some pretty good QBs came from some very much NON football factories.

@usfbrown said:

honestly that video is fucking sweet, hes quite talented when not in pads with 300 pound raving linebackers rushing him